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Subject: Re: when the sshd hits the fan
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On Sep 23, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Michael Loftis <mloftis@wgops.com> wrote:

> Sendmail for one can hang for stupidly long times waiting in dead =
resolvers before allowing the system to continue booting.

So replace it with Postfix? I've been using it (on Debian Linux) for =
decades without any problems. AFAIK, it doesn't do anything pathological =
like that. It just reads its config and starts waiting for email.

> That's the most common thing, RC scripts hanging waiting on external =
resources while you're locked out simply because sshd starts =
ridiculously late. Very common problem.

If properly configed, shouldn't things come up in order, with their =
dependencies already running? Or is specifying boot order not possible =
on FBSD?

I can certainly understand the possible need for SSH, just for incase, =
but I'd think things could be set to do stuff in the proper order. =
Except for cyclic dependencies, of course -- a significant bug for the =
maintainers.

--=20
Glenn English