From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Nov 3 23:50:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFDC37B406 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 23:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id fA47ntT83639; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 23:49:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Jason Halbert" , , "Forrest Aldrich" Subject: RE: ADSL with Verizon Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 23:49:55 -0800 Message-ID: <002a01c16505$4b6a8b00$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <06cc01c164f2$104a42d0$2af9620c@jason> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is no difference from the Telco's perspective to a PPP DSL link than a RFC1483 Bridged link. (note that there's both RFC1483 Bridged and RFC1483 Routed) There are a great many ISP's out there that provision PPP DSL on links that are set up to run Bridged, they do this because it's easier to retrofit their billing systems to think that DSL links are just fast dialup links. Also there are some switches like the Redback that can make the DSL link look like a bridged link from the customer perspective but a PPP link from the ISP perspective. In short there's some real screwy things out there. In our market we provision Verizon DSL all-time bridged links with static IP numbers. I understand that Verizon.net also provisions Bridged here on Verizon DSL too, but they do mandate DHCP. But as for other ISP's, who knows? Certainly, there's much incentive for the large national providers to force users to run these crappy GUI-type "connection" programs so they can hose up the user's system and make it difficult for them to switch to other ISP's. They have been doing this already for years now with dialup. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason Halbert >Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:32 PM >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Forrest Aldrich >Subject: Re: ADSL with Verizon > > >I had Verizon DSL for 2 years. I do not believe they use PPPoE anywhere in >their network. I'm pretty sure they only use the RFC14xx. It really >simple getting ADSL working under FreeBSD. If you are capturing an IP with >DHCP then just use sysinstall to setup your NIC for DHCP and it will get >the IP every time it starts up. > >---- >Jason >jason@jason-n3xt.org > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Forrest Aldrich" >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 21:17 >Subject: ADSL with Verizon > > >> >> I'd like to hear from anyone who's specifically gotten DSL hooked >> up/working (presumably PPPoE) with FreeBSD under Verizon's network. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message