From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Apr 12 05:04:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1CE2B211B for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:04:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tsoome@me.com) Received: from mr85p00im-hyfv06011301.me.com (mr85p00im-hyfv06011301.me.com [17.58.23.184]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490KS06dyZz4cVH for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:04:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tsoome@me.com) Received: from [192.168.150.159] (148-52-235-80.sta.estpak.ee [80.235.52.148]) by mr85p00im-hyfv06011301.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 88EA0580217; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Toomas Soome Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Why is the console a graphic/bitmapped console, and not text/character by default Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 08:04:43 +0300 Message-Id: <2751595C-BBB8-46DF-ABC2-5CAD7B82176B@me.com> References: Cc: freebsd-current , freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: To: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17E255) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138, 18.0.676 definitions=2020-04-11_06:2020-04-11, 2020-04-11 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=843 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-2002250000 definitions=main-2004120045 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 490KS06dyZz4cVH X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:17.58.0.0/16]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[me.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[me.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[me.com,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-2.14), ipnet: 17.58.16.0/20(-1.54), asn: 714(-2.45), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[184.23.58.17.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:714, ipnet:17.58.16.0/20, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[148.52.235.80.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[me.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[me.com:s=1a1hai]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[me.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[184.23.58.17.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 05:04:50 -0000 You have UEFI setup? With UEFI, there is no text mode. If mouse copy/paste is working is not a property of screen mode but it if th= e console driver does implement it or not. Sent from my iPhone > On 12. Apr 2020, at 07:41, Chris wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFSorry for the ling title. But wasn't sure how make my > question more concise. > Why did we begin making an initial console "graphics mode" > by default. My understanding has always been that (Free)BSD > has been a "Server by default", and a Desktop after an initial > install if that's one chosen target. > It's near impossible to perform initial configuration > in graphics mode, using a mouse to cut/copy/paste does *not* > work as intended. Which requires one to make the necessary > changes "breaking to the new system" after install completes > to change initiation to test-mode before bouncing the box. > While this "works" for long-time users. It's an *extra*, and > seemingly *unnecessary* step. It is also likely to behoove > first-time/new users -- except those already targeting a > Desktop. >=20 > Thanks for any insight into this! :) >=20 > --Chris >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=