From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 15 21:26:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DCD16A468; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:26:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3462013C468; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:26:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FEA46B67; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:26:38 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Alexander Leidinger In-Reply-To: <20071015193658.138fc9a5@deskjail> Message-ID: <20071015221917.X9055@fledge.watson.org> References: <70e8236f0710150343k590f5be8r8cdf3fd60df4abd2@mail.gmail.com> <4713700D.8040202@samsco.org> <20071015193658.138fc9a5@deskjail> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Scott Long , src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org, Joao Barros , cvs-all@freebsd.org, Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile sensorsd.conf src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/rc.d Makefile sensorsd src/lib/libc/gen sysctl.3 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8 sysctl.c src/share/man/man5 rc.conf.5 src/share/man/man9 Makefile sensor_attach.9 src/sys/conf f X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:26:39 -0000 On Mon, 15 Oct 2007, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Wait please. It was on the ides list before the soc and during the soc. > There where links to an overview and to source files. This is precisely why I've been concerned about the way things get randomly put in the ideas list--something I've e-mailed you about many times. People take it to represent a list of things we want, and frequently, items on the list are not things that we want. Sometimes they are things that should be looked at, and perhaps used or perhaps not, but often they are things apparently hoovered up off a mailing list without thinking about whether they are actually a good idea, and without talking to developers who have expertise in the area they relate to. We either need to clearly document when ideas are things to explore rather than things to assume are a shopping list, or we need to take the dubious ideas off the list. We also need to make sure that every idea on the list has a competent "owner" who is able to properly direct the work of a volunteer, and make sure they understand when something is commit-path or just "look and see if it might make sense". Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge