From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Sat Mar 10 08:27:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49214F2CF24; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 08:27:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED8EA69A52; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 08:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id E118D1C780; Sat, 10 Mar 2018 08:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 08:27:43 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Ian Lepore Cc: Eitan Adler , John Baldwin , svn-src-stable@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers , svn-src-stable-11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r330451 - in stable/11/sys: dev/iwm dev/otus dev/usb/wlan net80211 Message-ID: <20180310082743.GB18340@FreeBSD.org> References: <201803050754.w257swAE001435@repo.freebsd.org> <6465173.s2nWvWCLOs@ralph.baldwin.cx> <8377086.JrIgVVMXMv@ralph.baldwin.cx> <20180309110240.GA77718@FreeBSD.org> <1520617802.84937.26.camel@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1520617802.84937.26.camel@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 08:27:44 -0000 On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 10:50:02AM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Fri, 2018-03-09 at 11:02 +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > > I often have mixed feelings when I see lots of similar changes (i.e. > > that make up for better hardware support, esp. on a laptop) MFCed. > > I'd rather see laptop users run -CURRENT and leave -STABLE branches > > for very conservative (server?) users who can't/don't want to afford > > the risks of running -CURRENT or require ABI stability in a really > > long run, rather than binge-merging things. :-) > > > > By default it should be -CURRENT all over; it's a very good thing > > that we as a Project ourselves are doing this as part of our own > > dogfood eating strategy. > > Some of us have to use our freebsd machines to earn a living, and we > can't afford the time and resources to set our jobs aside and debug > our working machines on a daily basis. It's 2018 Ian, -CURRENT is not as much of a flux as it used to be (but it takes a lot more time to build now). Disks got larger, filesystems learned snapshots; one can update their machines and go back easily if things went south. Development, collaboration, testing/CI, etc. tools also got better, people no longer commit their WIP to -CURRENT in hope that it'll work (at least not as often as 15-20 years ago. :-) ./danfe