From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 4 14: 7:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B1C37B41C for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409E543E4A for ; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:07:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13672; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:07:43 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030104145840.02925620@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:07:41 -0700 To: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. Cc: Mike Jeays , chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030104131212.03837e10@localhost> <3E120659.3D60EB30@mindspring.com> <200212312041.gBVKfr183480@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> <3E120659.3D60EB30@mindspring.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20030104112015.026a5530@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20030104131212.03837e10@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:27 PM 1/4/2003, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: >But anyone who cares knows where the pill is located and may eat the >rest of the apple. As true as your agenda crack "Crack?" >is, we should not deny >that there is a gift being granted; just not as much as we would like or >as much as they lead people to believe. The Trojan Horse looked like a gift too. >> Yes, it has. It has made most such software dependent upon >> a tool that is GPLed, which is a very bad thing. > >The publishing of gcc (or gcc itself) has not done that. It's people's >(I won't say "free") choice to make themselves so dependent. In other words, "Slavery is freedom?" This sounds a bit like RMS's rhetoric. ;-) >I don't >blame either Bill Gates or RMS for publishing their proprietary >software; their self-interests should be respected. I just blame them >for their unsavory behavior dealing with people and companies, >especially for misleading people, in RMS's case. And most of the blame >goes to their "customers". When someone engages in a deceptive trade practice, one should not blame the consumers but rather the perpetrator. If you talk to people who use Linux and GPLed software, you'll find that 99% of them have no idea whatsoever about the agenda they're promoting. (The same is true of consumers who don't know that they're being forced to buy Microsoft products. When I do support, and ask users, "What operating system are you running?" It's amazing how often they draw a complete blank.) In both cases, the consumers are acting more like automata than rational beings. They're lambs to the slaughter. >> Not true at all. People will put up with mediocrity if it's >> available at no cost. To the point where it drives out much >> better commercial products. > >Point made, but I don't think it's fair to blame the pawn shop for the >lack of a Tiffinis in your town. Items at pawn shops aren't available at no cost. In fact, they're usually not even a good bargain. > The blame belongs to the consumers. Again, I'm afraid I have to disagree here. Mass behavior is often only rational on a "micro" level and not a "macro" one. At the risk of triggering Godwin's Law, I don't blame the majority of Germans for WWII or the atrocities thereof. I blame Hitler and his cronies. The Germans were taken for a ride... into a devastating, brutal war that severely hurt them. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message