From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 21 22:41:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from garnet.acns.fsu.edu (gmhub.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.2.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672D915942 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:40:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) Received: from garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (garnet1-fi.acns.fsu.edu [128.186.197.2]) by garnet.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA58784; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:38:11 -0400 Received: from s1o3q0 (dial360.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.33.106]) by garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA114094; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:38:08 -0400 Message-ID: <002301be8c82$6308a2a0$6a21c992@s1o3q0> From: "Brett G. Castleberry" To: "Pete Vanderburgh" Cc: References: <19990406205551.QXQP5752963.mta2-rme@wocker> <020501be80ae$fd1aa800$8620c992@s1o3q0> <371A551F.B4FC1EFB@vma.verio.net> Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:38:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE8C60.DAA75120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE8C60.DAA75120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry it's taken me a few days to reply. By "on top of Unix" I mean = that I believe that the computer that processes data for all the local = libraries using the Data Research Associates library automation system = (our county library, the state library here in Tallahassee, and a number = of others) runs Unix. I could be wrong, but when I mentioned this in an = "Intro to Unix" class I took a few weeks ago, the instructor nodded = sagely, as though I had divined the truth. I drive a bookmobile to = rural stops, and I do my circulation functions using an off-line = circulation program on a laptop equipped with a barcode reading wand. = Back at the main library, I upload the files using Kermit, and when I = started reading about Unix I recognized some commands that I use, such = as "control-right bracket" to escape a process and get to a prompt. = When I send the files, I am told that they are going to a Vax computer. = Do you all see how clueless, what a reeking newbie, I am? I could be = wrong, but that's the impression I got, that our menu-driven automation = program is overlaid onto a basically Unix system. Pete, were you a LS major? From your signature I take it that you = are associated with an ISP now. I've gone back and forth about whether = to change course from reference work to an IT emphasis, but I think I'm = a bit long in the tooth (I'm 45) for that. Anyway, there are VAST = quantities of information that will never be digitized, that will = continue to be available only on paper. Somebody's got to be able to find it. Ink gets in your = blood. Actually, that could account for the appeal that command-line = FreeBSD has for me - virtual ink!=20 Brett Castleberry bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pete Vanderburgh=20 To: Brett G. Castleberry=20 Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 5:56 PM Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides "Brett G. Castleberry" wrote:=20 How much is too much? Most of what I'm seeing on FreeBSD/ Questions = is over=20 my head and almost discouraging. Agreed!=20 =20 I've been a bookman all my life, a=20 pressman, a bookseller, and for the last ten years, a librarian. = When I=20 returned to school for a masters degree a couple of years ago, my = program=20 was called "Library Science". Now it's called "Information = Studies", and IT=20 students (along with their tuition fees) are pouring in, at this = point=20 outnumbering LS students. Those of us who are dedicated to = providing public=20 access to useful information are scrambling to learn how to find and = use=20 digital resources. In addition, as I've become acquainted with unix = I have=20 realized that our own library automation system operates on top of = unix. I am curious about what you mean exactly by 'on top of UNIX'. I too, = am *quite* the newbie in regard to UNIX and FreeBSD.=20 I'm also curious to hear more, as I myself was a librarian; not = professionally, but in college. From 1988-1993 I learned a wide variety = of electronic resources used for reference and cataloguing (we had these = new-fangled "CD-ROM"s. Oooh!).=20 And then, I graduated, just as the internet, in it's 'mainstream' form = began to emerge. Very frustrating!=20 =20 So, I want FreeBSD to play and learn with. Perhaps I can connect = my=20 FreeBSD 486 to my Win98 box and learn about networking too. I sense = in your=20 free OS project a spirit akin to that of the public librarian, and I = salute=20 you. That's how I understand it to. Freedom of information!=20 =20 Brett Castleberry=20 bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org=20 with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pete Vanderburgh Verio Web Hosting, Vienna, VA. 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    Sorry it's taken me = a few days=20 to reply.  By "on top of Unix" I mean that I believe that the=20 computer that processes data for all the local libraries using the = Data=20 Research Associates library automation system (our county library, = the=20 state library here in Tallahassee, and a number of others) runs = Unix.  I=20 could be wrong, but when I mentioned this in an "Intro to Unix" class I = took a=20 few weeks ago, the instructor nodded sagely, as though I had divined the = truth.  I drive a bookmobile to rural stops, and I do my = circulation=20 functions using an off-line circulation program on a laptop equipped = with a=20 barcode reading wand.  Back at the main library, I upload the files = using=20 Kermit, and when I started reading about Unix I recognized some commands = that I=20 use, such as "control-right bracket" to escape a process and get to a=20 prompt.  When I send the files, I am told that they are going to a = Vax=20 computer.   Do you all see how clueless, what a reeking = newbie, I=20 am?  I could be wrong, but that's the impression I got, that our=20 menu-driven automation program is overlaid onto a basically Unix=20 system.
    Pete, were you a LS = major? =20 From your signature I take it that you are associated with an ISP = now. =20 I've gone back and forth about whether to change course from reference = work to=20 an IT emphasis, but I think I'm a bit long in the tooth (I'm 45) for = that. =20 Anyway, there are VAST quantities of information that will never be = digitized,=20 that will continue to be available
only on paper.   = Somebody's got to=20 be able to find it.  Ink gets in your blood.  Actually, that = could=20 account for the appeal that command-line FreeBSD has for me - = virtual ink!=20
 
Brett Castleberry
bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Pete=20 Vanderburgh
To: Brett G. Castleberry
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 = 5:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary = - how to=20 guides

"Brett G. Castleberry" wrote:=20
How much is too much?  Most of what I'm = seeing=20 on FreeBSD/ Questions is over
my head and almost=20 discouraging.


Agreed!
 =20

I've been a bookman all my life, a =
pressman, a=20 bookseller, and for the last ten years, a librarian.  When I=20
returned to school for a masters degree a couple of years ago, = my=20 program
was called "Library Science".  Now it's called = "Information=20 Studies", and IT
students (along with their tuition fees) are = pouring=20 in, at this point
outnumbering LS students.  Those of us = who are=20 dedicated to providing public
access to useful information are=20 scrambling to learn how to find and use
digital resources.  = In=20 addition, as I've become acquainted with unix I have
realized = that our=20 own library automation system operates on top of unix.


I am curious about what you mean exactly by 'on top of = UNIX'.  I=20 too, am *quite* the newbie in regard to UNIX and FreeBSD.=20

I'm also curious to hear more, as I myself was a librarian; not=20 professionally, but in college.  From 1988-1993 I learned a = wide=20 variety of electronic resources used for reference and cataloguing (we = had=20 these new-fangled "CD-ROM"s.  Oooh!).=20

And then, I graduated, just as the internet, in it's = 'mainstream' form=20 began to emerge.  Very frustrating!=20


So, I want FreeBSD to play and learn=20 with.  Perhaps I can connect  my
FreeBSD 486 to my = Win98 box=20 and learn about networking too.  I sense in your
free OS = project a=20 spirit akin to that of the public librarian, and I salute=20
you.


That's how I understand it to.  Freedom of = information!=20

 

Brett Castleberry=20
bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu=20

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