From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 4 15:17:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD323C562B for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 15:17:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BjhBS2Vmyz4BJ0 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 15:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 328DB4E652 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 10:17:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: OT: proof that Linux is brain damaged To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200904104811.b08f24d8f0397e77cef01cbd@aim.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <6ff7d598-edd7-8d4f-2dcc-3d6a6b372ab7@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 10:17:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200904104811.b08f24d8f0397e77cef01cbd@aim.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BjhBS2Vmyz4BJ0 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.42 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.23)[-0.234]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.23)[0.227]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.33)[0.330]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2020 15:17:53 -0000 On 2020-09-04 09:48, Vlad D. Markov via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 07:38:40 -0400 > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >> https://hackaday.com/2020/09/03/linux-fu-moving-usr/ >> >> The above is of course trivial in FreeBSD... make the new partition copy >> /usr to it, add mount point to in /etc/fstabs and you're done, and mount >> it... no systemd or other brain damaged components. >> >> -- >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > Linux is the kernel. Systemd is one of many initialization tools available for Linux based systems. Enough Linux users want it that it is the default in many Linux distributions but it isn't required. > > I enjoy the ease of booting up a Linux kernel using busybox and simple shell scripts to get a small dedicated device going. It can be reminicent of old DOS systems. > > When criticizing systemd, I think the criticism should be directed at the distributions forcing its use. Linux doesn't have much to do with it. Indeed, Linux [kernel] has little to do with systemd, though is does contain the garbage systemd related code in it. And FreeBSD has nothing to do with systemd at all, so this probably is not the list for systemd rants. I for one am not systemd fan (to use small words), still... Valeri > > Vlad > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++