From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 19 14:18:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from supernova.dimensional.com (supernova.dimensional.com [206.124.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3390D37B401 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from element@Dim.com) Received: from smtp.dimensional.com (64-204-110-66.client.dsl.net [64.204.110.66]) by supernova.dimensional.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f5JLHsS11182 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200106192117.f5JLHsS11182@supernova.dimensional.com> X-Mailer: Ultrafunk Popcorn release 1.04 (13.Jan.2001) X-URL: http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:14:17 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: Adam To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Query: How to tell if Microsoft is using BSD TCP/IP code? Organization: NA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG An article over on www.Kuro5hin.org by a someone who claims to be a former MS employee describes the stack used in NT back in the early 90's as code which was liscensed from a company called 'Spider'. In the comp.unix.admin archives I found a post which references Spider QNIX as a *nix variant so I'm pretty sure this is who the article is referencing. Anyway this code in turn was pulled from BSD back in the day... "...Along with Spider's stack came versions of various TCP/IP-related utility programs, such as ftp, rcp and rsh. Those were ported from BSD sockets to winsock (not a huge change) and bundled with NT." I don't know how much faith you can put in it, but its an interesting read. I found the following snippet to be quite curious... "And implying that the TCP/IP stack uses BSD code is also false. As I said above there may be small vestiges of it in there, although I doubt it. Anyway the FreeBSD programmers who reported all this to the Wall Street Journal can't see the NT TCP/IP source either, so they can't have been referring to that." Sorry if this belongs in -chat now. Just passing it along. >BSDI or CSRG did the contract work, according to my sources; >so you might want to ask Kirk or Mike Karels, since you are >more connected to them than we are (e.g. same building, etc.). > >My sources are a former BSDI employee from way back (lawsuit >days and before), and another person. > >The FTP utility contains the copyright string (run "strings" >on it). Several other standard tools have similar copyright >strings in them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message