From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:09:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0629499734F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm2-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm2-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54B6B8AE for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1436565952; bh=8/WfB1gpOKbCGSlSorFPYb3PlmI4GT7vLlwTXtFATKc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=BdvjbSLC4ka+lyoRzGArtrWId6yjbFy2Lzbd0WL6RuZKvZQwbBqKewOXJ9P+ap1hMFpuccYsORo0zUQ2iyyWBj8ycsIKbM22hBdK1p7zTSyaQ7oE/X79FZa5n3pKzDbDzlIJpT9QMdQZr+tp1cK4TojYKde8ecvRkdgqNi5DqCXnUmFVSrXcZryVWdnAL3GCPfEr98kkUgLCN3jfq+0WpZq6a5t9lswDLZJ/UoyyRTtLO5J0Bu4aXuC6kDB8XKqnpKGgawipDt9LYUlLj9oGoCq59Yg9H5nubDrmfC5GR33+65BJ3pG5nGiju9ML6Nj1gsn9Kj4mm2vqAADtMpn76Q== Received: from [212.82.98.55] by nm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:05:52 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.75] by tm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:05:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:05:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 227988.44257.bm@smtp112.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: PNmSILsVM1lwYxqxR7y2yqpANwXLDXpOdnzq3NfzwSy.QtD TV8fJXk_wXC4p7De1FIFYxxZH6OA6z7yHAIN6ZHkRED_az.hjjdUEEQ2yX6N rR5MD5O07YfW2fXM29rUMDNO506bK4R4G_fv1.mFQp7qhTr1_sCHu7LVG46b odFsURPY0pSr8KhzzrhEAcE.tbLVCW7o2tOUKNzlzbFnvNh56BNMJP0uhMSy N.SPOdf06p4KD.SUxYanBuSseFzVuY7XHWyHlxKDFW5aVXpQgSVUlgBeUi33 LhJn1taB7c7JRJPMM_UChgSVkxDA8x3ZVPpci7EAzKIENORMjroLuB27vmzi SfRyAGnq4pfwXXY57OW.AswPhhNyKFjjgES7pcupiG_VM84HG8MUJ5dTxne5 _0sRgLCySe44FWzDvA4S0ZAQ7Ptr4AZQu9k4K9IN_17ZTr4aNjutPDdHFFii bKCP7ooLtLYS2TM0iRGEA9YnAf93g8VisZJaot1pTq7vDS1l8F8Mn74HqWwm GUQktIPzDJU2BPFdZctosEQe6RGITU5_Xz6cwLdVN3bZefodRS0DpQxJmeZ3 bSvP7sw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:05:51 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor Message-ID: <20150711000551.414cfc4b@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <55A00F43.90908@gmail.com> <20150710212456.70c0d1db.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-163-ga98ae44 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:09:28 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:30:21 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >This means that , claiming that "copy-left licensed software is more >secure than permissive licensed software" is a groundless and >incorrect claim . I agree, but there is a valid claim that doesn't depend on the chossen free license. This one: A non-restrictive, open source OS is more secure than a restricted OS. But even for non-restrictive, open source operating systems there are differences. It has less to do with the chosen system or license, BSD, GNU/Linux or what ever, but with the policy. A FreeBSD or Arch Linux or Linux from scratch user will set up the install, the user has much control over the install. An Ubuntu Linux flavour user installs an environment that works out of the box, so there is less control and it already leads to issues. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do Today I started a discussion on several Linux mailing lists after a Xubuntu user reported that the root password is required, when bug report pop up windows ask to generate and send a bug report. IOW there are two approaches, the approach from restricted OSes, that is used by some OOTB non-restricted open source OSes too, that usually claim to be user-friendly and the "real" non-restricted open source user-centric approach. The non-restricted open source user-centric approach is more secure. The approach has less to do with the chosen OS or used free license. 2 Cents, Ralf