From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 21:54:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7E816A4BF; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from light.sdf.com (light.sdf.com [207.200.153.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADA643FCB; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by light.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 19u3Aw-000FqK-R3; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:53:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <20030901213220.U6074@znfgre.qbhto.arg> Message-ID: <20030901214806.I60750@light.sdf.com> References: <0AF1BBDF1218F14E9B4CCE414744E70F07DF30@exchange.wanglobal.net> <20030901211636.Y58733@light.sdf.com> <20030901213220.U6074@znfgre.qbhto.arg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Tom cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Haesu Subject: Re: Multi-Homed Routing X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 04:54:17 -0000 On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Doug Barton wrote: > On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Tom wrote: > > > For those in the Americas, ARIN will not give you anything less than a > > /19 > > If this was ever true, it hasn't been true for a long time: > > http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv4.html Strictly speaking it is a /20 now. It was changed. But to get a /20, you need to prove that you are actually using a /20's worth of space of already. That means completing filling at least 12 class-Cs. And by getting a block from ARIN, you are compelled to re-number, meaning most of your /20 is gone. That is ok, if your network isn't growing too quickly, but if you are adding lots yet, most networks will want a /19. You certainly are not going to get a /24 from ARIN: ARIN allocates IP address prefixes no longer than /20. If allocations smaller than /20 are needed, ISPs should request address space from their upstream provider. > Doug > > -- Tom