From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 08:32:33 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B1CE80273 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E587C467 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 834F2E80272; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FE0E80271 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5989C7C465; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bapt@FreeBSD.org) Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1235) id 917751DB00; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 08:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:32:32 +0100 From: Baptiste Daroussin To: Cy Schubert Cc: Cy Schubert , gjb@freebsd.org, "Pokala, Ravi" , ghapiro@freebsd.org, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , "cem@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Sendmail deprecation ? Message-ID: <20171207083232.x4iqrli74wgygcry@ivaldir.net> References: <201712070251.vB72p58k054508@slippy.cwsent.com> <201712070348.vB73mesl095194@slippy.cwsent.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="i7uae3qclp3wph5d" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201712070348.vB73mesl095194@slippy.cwsent.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171027 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 08:32:33 -0000 --i7uae3qclp3wph5d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 07:48:40PM -0800, Cy Schubert wrote: > In message <201712070251.vB72p58k054508@slippy.cwsent.com>, Cy Schubert= =20 > writes: > > In message , "Pokala,= =20 > > Ravi" w > > rites: > > > So less "no dma(8)", and more "no default MTA at all; make them selec= t one" > > ? > > > > Yes. >=20 > Thinking about this further and softening my position a little, I'd be=20 > satisfied with a knob to not build dma in base at all. (Though the desire= =20 > to remove bloat I prefer not to replace when something is removed.) There is a knob already not to build it WITHOUT_DMAGENT >=20 > Upline sendmail hasn't been updated for a a year and almost eight months.= =20 > (I had misgivings of the sale.) Having said that, I think sendmail's time= =20 > has come however I'm not convinced replacing it with another default MTA = is=20 > the solution. A stub like pkg that could install a package, providing the= =20 > user with a list to choose from, possibly timing out after a short period= =20 > of time to install the dma pkg (or port) makes the most sense to me and= =20 > should be a good compromise for all. >=20 > As gjb@ has been working toward packaged base, would it not be a good tim= e=20 > for the MTA replacement project to consider relying on dma ports/packages? >=20 > Ports/packages are just as much FreeBSD as base is. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Cheers, > Cy Schubert > FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org >=20 > The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --i7uae3qclp3wph5d Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEgOTj3suS2urGXVU3Y4mL3PG3PloFAloo/KAACgkQY4mL3PG3 PloJ/RAAqDT3GGvWWgzmabeVfDfTs/VDwW7eXkMBoAqQgrB1EuCxX0T+UKoaQDE1 AFK50jewgOCtLiBOg2zE0QTm38Ca7L8aok9GUPXq/NFFHIzV0dbKm00wAd5tRYfK ZOK3Q5QuFm64ul8XxBy5G3lgDjOvGBCaXHdgGc+h0/bZPQJFbDK06LW2jxUVuIzT wCKy4H+AQj0BhozKDmAC9B0ilb8quw31udB0KIxdY/JBz7Mft1qMg1OSVo15Vc7T CT58wvwJkQqaHBiiyTsThZ1PfHaISzkJc+PVudsDC35sZH6WSNjszUYjxKnxGA8o Clg+Eec8uJpQIpVRkkDXHVUJA8Xgu9kv7Q8PF9Yqms/1UC4mtSLK4CBpe2xKN4hL 4ZF1flFX18iMKEBVzTb6zR27HKWO4deAw59hoycGvFq7IHYxQXcyXrwAY91C0I/q 8EU+JrABb14RmsTj7auwrxBCXz+4G/UQOZg3J32UIXUGVLfz28ORqWerBaowz+i5 lqqACl5qM0/KZ9bekoAJMeFah2UP2galzxU2pxp6T37lMjHJiwNX08MJx0nGBlzZ UPf0C/SLseQ2klxkp6+6Wo+buI8x2nFRFCEKxlBtSC2NPUcRClakcs6M1X3wYD5n k5ehJo8MtuID2XndLIkKm58/WmvMl35evY4vi+E07QllvdvqD7E= =L95R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --i7uae3qclp3wph5d--