From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri May 15 18:07:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409B42FC973 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49NxGG65hvz4Dy0 for ; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:07:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D14342FC971; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:07:50 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F1E2FC970; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:07:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from slim.berklix.org (slim.berklix.org [94.185.90.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "slim.berklix.org", Issuer "slim.berklix.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49NxGF2wZZz4Dxv; Fri, 15 May 2020 18:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DDB7209.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.219.114.9]) (authenticated bits=128) by slim.berklix.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04FI7fEc066498 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 May 2020 20:07:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id 04FI7eBh099847; Fri, 15 May 2020 20:07:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 04FI7K8q045648; Fri, 15 May 2020 20:07:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Message-Id: <202005151807.04FI7K8q045648@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Poul-Henning Kamp" cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Kyle Evans , Alan Somers , Arne Steinkamm Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Disallowing read() of a directory fd From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com/jhs http://stolenvotes.uk User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-From: http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 15 May 2020 16:11:24 -0000." <44546.1589559084@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 20:07:20 +0200 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49NxGF2wZZz4Dxv X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jhs@berklix.com has no SPF policy when checking 94.185.90.68) smtp.mailfrom=jhs@berklix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.27 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.80)[-0.800,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[berklix.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.17)[0.168,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[68.90.185.94.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:33824, ipnet:94.185.88.0/22, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[ip: (0.01), ipnet: 94.185.88.0/22(0.01), asn: 33824(-0.00), country: DE(-0.02)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[9.114.219.93.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 18:07:51 -0000 "Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > -------- > In message <202005151504.04FF423p040952@fire.js.berklix.net>, "Julian H. Stacey > " writes: > > >No. Root is Root regardless if in a jail or not. > > No. Thanks, Accepting you mean: power of a root login within a jail is less. Yes I knew that, but I guess mine above was ambiguous, & more so without text restored below. I meant root the person, who has to login & fix various hosts, regardless if they are jails or not. It's already harder to work in jails; further limitation unwelcome. > > A root admin of > > a server in a jail needs full power without waiting days to contact > > other root human who owns the prison, without wasting human time > > of jail owner & prison owner formulating email request & considering > > & enabling requirement. > See also: https://papers.freebsd.org/2000/phk-jails/ Will do, thanks. Cheers -- Julian Stacey, Consultant Systems Engineer, BSD Linux http://berklix.com/jhs/ http://www.berklix.org/corona/#masks Tie 2 handkerchiefs or 1 pillow case. Jobs & economy hit by Corona to be hit again by Crash Brexit 31st Dec. 2020