From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 12 07:08:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC29816A41F for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:08:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from outbound0.sv.meer.net (outbound0.sv.meer.net [205.217.152.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3868D43D46 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:08:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by outbound0.sv.meer.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k0C77j1r013795; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id k0C75NIm095288; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:05:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: (from jrhett@localhost) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) id k0C75N6V095287; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:05:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhett) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:05:23 -0800 From: Jo Rhett To: Peter Jeremy Message-ID: <20060112070523.GD84964@svcolo.com> Mail-Followup-To: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <43AB1E65.2030501@mac.com> <20051222221202.GM39174@svcolo.com> <200512231136.12471.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20060105092448.GH1358@svcolo.com> <20060105184147.GD69162@funkthat.com> <20060106110318.GF54324@svcolo.com> <20060106194436.GD51452@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060106194436.GD51452@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Organization: svcolo.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:08:17 -0000 On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 06:44:36AM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > In general, volunteer projects have a surfeit of ideas and a shortage > of real implementations. The Project is never going to agree to import > an idea without some substance. Always true, and I wouldn't expect less. But we've covered the topic of wasting time writing code without buyin. > >consensus that (a) the project has interest and (b) what flavors would be > >acceptable to the existing groups - are both necessary for this project to > >even mumble it's first line of code. > In which case you need to move this thread to freebsd-arch where these > sort of issues are discussed. You need to clearly define your goals > and suggest a design to meet them. If your idea has merit, you'll be > able to convince at least one committer to work with you to implement > your design. Yes, if it even gets that far. But you're putting the cart before the horse. When Scott posted the release schedule, I was not offering to build this for him (although I am interested enough to try/help/etc) I was suggesting that perhaps this issue deserves a priority focus, given the escalation of releases. You're saying "If you want to go to war in Iraq then hire a military" and I'm saying "I was just trying to see if there was agreement that Saddam is a bad guy" and more specifically "I have no desire to rush into Iraq without consensus" ;-) -- Jo Rhett senior geek SVcolo : Silicon Valley Colocation