From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 14 9: 9:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164E937B718 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:09:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f2EH9Fi00671; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:09:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:09:15 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Dennis Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , Lyndon Nerenberg , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: if_fxp - the real point Message-ID: <20010314090915.D29888@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200103092332.f29NW4785782@gollum.esys.ca> <20010309221250.2384337B71B@hub.freebsd.org> <200103092332.f29NW4785782@gollum.esys.ca> <20010314123503.C74704@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <5.0.0.25.0.20010314110743.02373a00@mail.etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010314110743.02373a00@mail.etinc.com>; from dennis@etinc.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 11:28:56AM -0500 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Dennis [010314 08:14] wrote: > > A better strategy would be to welcome ALL vendors AND binary distributions > (who may release source under NDA if they chose) so that the best products > could be available for FreeBSD without the adversity of the > "geek-revolution" that you propose. I don't know about that: how many times does windows crash because of poorly written drivers rather than flaws in the core OS? (*) how many hardware vendors say "sure dude, just buy _any_ disk and stick it in my SAN box, we'll still support you!" (*) win9x has a "feature" they expect thier driver coders to be brain dead enough to exhaust the kernel stack (either that or the driver arch demands this), they have a guard page on the stack that catches overruns and performs a "fixup" do a search on "MinSP" (maybe plural) to see what I mean. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] Daemon News Magazine in your snail-mail! http://magazine.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message