From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 29 21:38:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA18036 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA18032 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:37:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.com) Received: from obie [199.104.124.49] by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #4) id 0xc24i-0003Ck-00; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:37:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3480FE03.2781E494@xmission.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:47:47 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: No! Crapintosh bashing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael Porter writes: > Ahhhhh, I feel better now. I hope I don't get banished off these mailing > lists for this, but I had to say it. I don't have anything against *people* > who use crapintoshes, I just can't understand why they would want to. Here's > my major grievences: > > 1:) I've heard they're hard to upgrade. I've never tried, so this could be > totally wrong It is. They're a piece of cake to upgrade, modern Macs come with both SCSI and PCI built in. All RAM is SIMM or DIMM, and was long before the PC crowd discovered them. The quality of the physical case is much better than the average PC as well; you rarely need *any* tools to open a Mac. > 2:) Although I've heard that the PowerPC chip is *very* good (hey, it's made > by Motorola and IBM, it's got to be at least pretty good!) Comparing same > software on same price systems, and similar chip-clock-rate systems yields > better results on IBM compatibles (my tests and my friends) If you're comparing MacOS figures, probably not. If you stick a decent* OS on there and compare Apples to PCs, the performance difference is remarkable. 180 Mhz 604s seem might fast compared to any Pentium, and a 350 Mhz 604 blows through Pentium IIs. > 3:) Crapintoshes used to have superior graphing abilities. Not anymore. Yes anymore. You can get some decent stuff for PCs these days, but not without working at it. You can get Mac graphic cards that support 1600 x 1200 x 24 bit, and all you have to do is plug it in and run an "enabler" program. That's it. Unless, of course, you're trying to find an X driver* for it. > 4:) NO SHELL USE!!! AACK!! My friend (a Crapintosh supporter) says you can > buy software for shells. Hmmmm....I've never heard of any. Why would you want to do that? Just install MacBSD (basically NetBSD) or MkLinux. Makes a formerly silly Macintosh into one screaming fast workstation. Caveats: this is not the world's most popular computing platform, nor the strongest supported version of NetBSD or Linux. Find X drivers for Mac video cards is really hard; XFree86 doesn't seem very interested. On the other tentacle, you can get some really blistering performance out of these puppies. Or, you can get BeOS, if you're object-oriented enough. ;^) Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for the Macintosh as the ultimate computing platform. I hate one-button mice and think they're still overpriced, but they are nowhere near as bad as most "PC dweebs" make them out to be, and still a damn site better than any Microsloth offering, regardless of the hardware it's running on. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com