From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Sep 2 18:56:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0843C6099 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 18:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BhY7x0dyhz44hj; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 18:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A681DFB8; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap36 ([10.202.2.86]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 02 Sep 2020 14:56:43 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrudefledgudefudcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttdertderreejnecuhfhrohhmpedfffgr nhcunfgrnhhgihhllhgvfdcuoegurghnsehlrghnghhilhhlvgdrohhrgheqnecuggftrf grthhtvghrnhepgeetueejgfdugfeuhfevgeeuveevvdehleelgefhvdelhffftdetgeeu hfdtieeunecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgepudenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomh epuggrnheslhgrnhhgihhllhgvrdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5E2A1188007F; Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:56:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.3.0-248-gcd102cb-fm-20200901.001-gcd102cb9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <57cee876-e552-4c51-9902-cf4d1e1b7d04@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20200902045939.GA15897@eureka.lemis.com> <20200902060117.GG53210@home.opsec.eu> <20200902063136.GA47543@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20200902164706.GA49777@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <5c89b4d27281f5dfffc3252a90013b0ac6c763d7.camel@freebsd.org> <5c832482-b2bc-47e4-8762-8f5a886d5f11@www.fastmail.com> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 14:56:21 -0400 From: "Dan Langille" To: "Ian Lepore" , "Warner Losh" , "Steve Kargl" Cc: "FreeBSD Current" Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Plans_for_git_(was:_Please_check_the_current_beta_git_conv?= =?UTF-8?Q?ersions)?= Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BhY7x0dyhz44hj X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.07 / 15.00]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[64.147.123.25:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.147.123.25:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[langille.org:+,messagingengine.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[langille.org,none]; SUBJ_EXCESS_QP(1.20)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.09)[-1.091]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.147.123.25:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:64.147.123.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.06)[-1.057]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[langille.org:s=fm2,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[dan]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.03)[-1.029]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current]; MID_RHS_WWW(0.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 18:56:45 -0000 resending, because I clearly have no clue. On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Wed, 2020-09-02 at 14:45 -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > > > Seriously, Warner? > > > > Yes, seriously. We are adults. Act accordingly. > > > > Don't be confused. I also thought the message he was replying to was out of line. > > > > > I applaud Steve's message as being the first one in this thread that > > > has any real value at all. Unlike everyone else, he has clearly seen > > > what the basic problem is (zero communications about this impending > > > cutover to the people who need to work with it every day), and he > > > summarized it in a completely practical way. > > > > We disagree. The message could have been worded without being negative. > > > > > This assumption that everyone knows how to use git is mind-boggling. I > > > think I installed it once, a few years ago. Then I uninstalled it > > > because of how abysmally hard it was to try to learn even a few > > > commands to do anything with it. > > > > No, it's assumed you will learn. I did. We all can. > > > > Please, we cooperate on this project. We don't attack, and yes, these were attacks. > > > > > I guess Steve & I are a couple dinosaurs and the whole rest of the > > > freebsd user and committer community is laughing at our ignorance and > > > thinking "we don't need their contributions anyway, so let's just mock > > > them and move on." > > > > I don't think so. I'm guessing I'm older and more set in my ways. > > > > There are much better ways to communicate that in recent messages. > > > > How typical: trim away ALL context of what's being discussed, then > claim that the material was offensive in some way after destroying the > contextual evidence that makes a lie of your claim. I apologize for the excessive trimming. I regret posting, but still persist in my call for improved methods. Umm, as for the rest... I don't know how to reply to that. -- Dan Langille dan@langille.org