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Date:      Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:57:56 -0600
From:      Warner Losh <imp@harmony.village.org>
To:        obrien@FreeBSD.ORG
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor 
Message-ID:  <200107250357.f6P3vvo03789@harmony.village.org>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:48:22 PDT." <20010724204822.G5825@dragon.nuxi.com> 
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In message <20010724204822.G5825@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes:
: On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:05:44PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
: > There are a number of other StrongARM based Windows CE machines that
: > would make a much better platform.  They even have NetBSD/hpcarm on
: 
: These sound hard to develop for as you'll probably have to launch them
: from Windows CE.

Yes, you would, but that's trivial to do.  It isn't hard at all.
WinCE boots very quickly, and you can set things up so that the boot
loader runs before the touch screen calibration.  The boot loader you
pick either the netbsk kernel or the FreeBSD kernel (there's a
pulldown of the recent ones, iirc) and hit OK.  If you aren't hacking
PBSDBOOT.EXE, it is a piece of cake.

Having done a fair amount of that while getting NetBSD/hpcmips going
on my machine...

: > Failing that, the DNARD certainly is a cool machine and might make a
: > good reference platform.
: 
: Especially since their firmware is just like any Real Unix hardware in
: that it does serial console when the keyboard is not plugged in and does
: net booting trivially.

True.  But the DNARDs may be harder to get than these boxes.  Then
again, maybe not.

Just offering the Wince boxes as an option, because they also have a
high coolness factor in addition to being easy to come by.

Warner


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