From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 13:27:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFB516A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skyweb.ca (smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com [216.152.192.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B9643D1F for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:27:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjohnston@skyweb.ca) Received: from [192.168.15.191] ([64.42.246.34]) by smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:27:47 -0700 From: Mark Johnston To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:27:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <200404121301.41643.mjohnston@skyweb.ca> <407AF242.1020601@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <407AF242.1020601@quip.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404121527.46330.mjohnston@skyweb.ca> X-Country: CA cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:27:52 -0000 Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: > Hi, I am running similar configuration on several machines (Postfix + > Courier-IMAP [with POP3ssl/IMAP4ssl] + MySQL). I have a guestion about > one general difference - unique UID / GID for each user. I guess it > provide more security, but also some troubles. If all virtual users > (stored in MySQL) have same UID/GID, postfix can be configured to create > maildirs itself with first incoming message. If each user has unique > UID, maildirs must be created manualy (or from shellscript) and chowned > to UID/GID. Exactly - that's the tradeoff. > My question: "If all virtual users have same UID/GID, is there some real > security risk?". Sharing UIDs and GIDs can have good or bad effects on security. On a server with no users logging in, like mine, it's moot; nobody (well, nobody who hasn't compromised the server) can get at the maildir storage on disk, so nobody (ditto) can play with the mailboxes. On a server where users do log in, you can go two routes: - Unique UIDs/GIDs. This makes things more convenient for the user, since they can use mail clients on the server and get right at their mail. If you want to have local mail clients work at all, you have to do this. - Shared UID/GID. In this case, the user can't get at their own maildir, and they'll have to use LDAP/POP3 over loopback to read their mail. It does make management easier, though. It sounds to me like you're working with a server where users don't log in, since you're using MySQL to manage user accounts. In that case, unique UIDs buy you essentially nothing. > I'll be glad to read if same UID/GID is secure or not, because I am > writing webbased administration tool in PHP and main problem is creation > of maildirs for new accounts. Same UID/GID could solve my problem. The only time that unique UIDs and GIDs are useful is when the user will be logging in locally, so you can just look in /etc/passwd, find the user's UID, and create the maildir with that. If the user doesn't have a system account, you've got no reason to start making up UIDs to give them one; just share a single UID. > PS: sorry for my bad english and a little offtopic message Since you say "offtopic", I assume you intended this for the freebsd-isp list, instead of private mail. I've taken the liberty of including the list in the Cc again, since security advice like this shouldn't go unreviewed. :) You might also want to move this thread to freebsd-security@freebsd.org, to reach people with more security know-how. > PPS: I'll publish webbased administration tool on sourceforge.net after > completition