From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 12:28:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF17F37B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jkh-gw.queasyweasel.com (adsl-64-173-3-158.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.3.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311A043F93 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Received: from queasyweasel.com (jkh@narcissus.queasyweasel.com [64.173.15.99])h5IJQq2J033550; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:28:53 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: Kenneth Culver From: Jordan K Hubbard In-Reply-To: <20030618151939.U80347@alpha.yumyumyum.org> Message-Id: <185DF8D6-A1C3-11D7-AE42-000393BB9222@queasyweasel.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Drawing graphics on terminal X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:28:55 -0000 Have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/libh.html On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 12:22 PM, Kenneth Culver wrote: >> The principal problem with libh is too many chiefs and not enough >> indians. Poor Alex and Max have done a HUGE amount of work on the >> system but it's large enough in scope that 2 people cannot hope to do >> it >> all by themselves, particularly when there's no relief shift to take >> things over when they get tired occasionally. From an architectural >> perspective, there's nothing which would stop libh from fulfilling all >> the dreams I've seen laid out here (and a number people haven't even >> mentioned yet, like scriptable installs or alternate look-and-feels). >> The principle thing standing in the way of this and every other "let's >> get rid of sysinstall" effort, for that matter, is a lack of >> engineers. >> >> This one's a bit like government. Everyone has an opinion about how >> it >> should work or what it could be doing better, but very few people want >> to actually get involved in changing it. :-) >> > What needs done right now? I havn't seen much on libh recently... > where is > the source at? How can I get a look at it, and a list of what needs > done > so I can help. Just today at work, a friend of mine asked me how to > install FreeBSD. He had tried it and had no luck whatsoever, so I had > to > walk him through it step-by-step. This would go a long way towards > making > an install process that could, for example, give the user the option > of a > "newbie install" which would be all graphical and pretty with X and > what-not, and a "experienced install" which would bascially be the same > installer we have now, only written on top of libh. Anyway, I'm > interested > in helping, I have 2 or 3 nights a week where I could write some code > after work. > > Ken > -- Jordan K. Hubbard Engineering Manager, BSD technology group Apple Computer