From owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 15:48:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2FA16A4CF for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 15:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C18B243D46 for ; Thu, 27 May 2004 15:48:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fscked@pacbell.net) Received: from unknown (HELO pacbell.net) (fscked@pacbell.net@66.124.232.98 with plain) by smtp814.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2004 22:48:48 -0000 Message-ID: <40B67005.40901@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:47:33 -0700 From: richard childers / kg6hac Organization: Daemonized Networking Services - http://www.daemonized.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wes Peters References: <20040524150123.F22126@carver.gumbysoft.com> <40B2A3B4.5070307@pacbell.net> <20040524220534.347dc5c7@bogomips.optonline.net> <200405260010.59932.wes@softweyr.com> In-Reply-To: <200405260010.59932.wes@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: jobs@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mtrgroup solicitations X-BeenThere: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: fscked@pacbell.net List-Id: Jobs offered and sought List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:48:56 -0000 Wes Peters wrote: >>Fuck you richard. >> >> > >Well put. > >Plus, anyone who doesn't recognize the name "Doug White" or his writing >style hasn't been around FreeBSD enough to even have an opinion, let alone >one that counts. > > As it so happens, Wesley ... I've been a generous, competent member of the UNIX community since before FreeBSD was a gleam in anyone's eye. I was using UNIX in 1984. One of my accounts was on the Well, back when it was well.uucp. I have old business cards that list my email address and specify 'ptsfa' as one of the possible UUCP gateways; that is, some of my business cards are older than some of the readers of this article. I'm rapidly approaching two decades of solid industrial strength UNIX expertise, and still going strong; I learn a lot from people younger than some of my business cards, I'll freely admit, and I hope the transaction is a mutual one ... because no one person can possibly know it all. I have hung out with Jordan Hubbard. Back before he shaved regularly. I was introduced to Jordan Hubbard by Paul Vixie. I have known Paul Vixie - you know, the 'inventor of the Internet' - since I was about 12 years old. I fed his dog. I've helped him move. I fed -him-, Paul, when he was a homeless waif - something he'd rather not recall. None of this allows -me- to make wild, unsubstantiated, emotionally provacative accusations, without backing them up with facts. (If you want to see what I mean, see http://www.orafraud.org - you can be as provacative as you want, but please include facts, so that readers can make their minds up based upon the evidence ... rather than your private interpretation.) Nor, for that matter, does it allow -you- to make such stupid statements, without being challenged. Do you have a basis for your statements? The ability to use a compiler does not, so far as I know, convey godlike intellectual capabilities upon the user of such technology; it simply means you are smart enough to receive the torch that was carried by your forebearers. You are still required to objectively verify the results of your analysis against available data. If you don't, you stand the chance of looking like a real boob. And now, back to the subject at hand. I have yet to learn what, exactly, this recruiter was doing, that was so unethical. If there's a beef, let's see it. If there's no beef, then it's just another wild, emotionally provacative statement, with all the semi^H^H^H^H semantic content of "fuck you" ... and none of the beef. (-; Yours for responsible use of the media, -- richard -- Richard Childers / Senior Engineer Daemonized Networking Services 945 Taraval Street, #105 San Francisco, CA 94116 USA [011.]1.415.759.5571 http://www.daemonized.com -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) mQGiBECGpfsRBACoPJJfIIrWAqjlW92TtYCtY//e7OW8alWylr/1ygtSQzjCCdvC Ysa0fCcx01UenlWV+5YY/zC7KPsX2rQUKAs20fqs9et74dmgMGOj0vMjTzWEs29G FyAsIRSpFioa8zzrjXEUVnU6OFaD9a9eaC+LSTCiKgXjbQySDKM5T1c+vwCg8W3Y RZ83LRIUULGMPlY6zS4fQwUEAIIiTHDdWpbE+HeREJwH+4eDpGVf76XtNlOMXrt9 tJ3ExL+9ezLulg1nCrOYodOB7TEZqzV40R7emDZSX0hI9QEBCv6nW5aDVpw/bf+q UEHwxrUvE2LBi35hoqR2QwqNlagOauSorWj8Qm/31luxJVeLVy1A1czp6B/mvG1T co03A/9a5kzEAebJ5TzWXQC2/4gu/osXQnrw9B9FFpYOtLc0MNQuAFt8VLn5yO5Q 8T58w+FQvFI5FqzI5URmjQeEyWWuyIechknk4RnwIO1UPVjgRTuNgf9/TvNNfqpa aVlbNp+AG21D6VqsFN2zJFFJeUqiYdXw6i+ESL3SZRymIhwYWrQ8UmljaGFyZCBB IENoaWxkZXJzICh3d3cuZGFlbW9uaXplZC5jb20pIDxmc2NrZWRAcGFjYmVsbC5u ZXQ+iF4EExECAB4FAkCGpfsCGwMGCwkIBwMCAxUCAwMWAgECHgECF4AACgkQjGqW TlNTP66KzQCgjf0SQbiK1rgu7hRsmLPSSaGF7X8AoL7Qw/E9kTZr0fntP0XXEnk/ q6nRuQINBECGpvkQCADFzFq+kYbk+KTIhcVBTjTWDbBnjGgmuGR3LGp9hOd6W9SJ i4GD5184ZnMbEgvDZcDEGDNgMcU+f1girwYI2v/o7QA7VQ5bpUbnfOBytzO+bvd7 uCOyJltg8AG5MFLxfhAMHofpNxGlFTEXdVp4M9xyBB+hdLHbJNJqkMGPf+iCUf1W Q86KncU2AK4Sf9I+WYBZwkjaIhi9dQzeEX1c0Um6LxXSBtkjZprIk1M13gVaIJ6E dDN6hrSMbXZL+7yURw38vHXCtRJAKEOyW178rI8MzJzvVNhobvC62uEWD9Idz8sH 5A06fqb2fKJYLQ1keGUpb/qpny7oTmAe0Hx9jOM7AAMGCACdTe1M4U++/7/OVGip 1gnWEtMhHeQQbS7KPh1w8/1kvs5Mml6uGYQI44lKTDP7OHJQ9hIT/+5tfKPHIPhU M/7Mqa8y81c/AK+WUOyY9+uZ0zUxFGMqeU9z5iqJFWSi9QR/f5q/khfmqi5RFVyQ nnVhxBMB8pY1vZHV1CoL7NLK4c/N8mpwCiZ57LTsP8pLfDMWF/OopmM2ulzlfWTr anAdxQohenq/zTgSySX/VGZYSYvyAoXTRuU4USAVGWcUQPnVooA1N7lZP3pawjNP QMSukx9jI1673BPsPXxyQZ1PmmPt9eHKI0G0hNJG+FCmSRLNT/R7hqTzTUmpgMWM yyWPiEkEGBECAAkFAkCGpvkCGwwACgkQjGqWTlNTP642KACeITHq0b42P3oMX7Nj F5U3EaqCgYoAn3HxUB7ELB6vMUugW4aSmZpBJOR6 =ZaJO -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----