From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 4 7:15: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1FE37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 07:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63C643F79 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 07:15:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@papagena.rockefeller.edu) Received: from user-0cev12d.cable.mindspring.com ([24.239.132.77] helo=bluerondo.a.la.turk) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18g4mu-0001Z3-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2003 07:15:04 -0800 Received: (qmail 85878 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Feb 2003 15:14:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:14:58 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Shaun Jurrens , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Project status (was Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object) Message-ID: <20030204151457.GA85804@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Shaun Jurrens , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > [long rant from Shaun Jurrens] > This is all so wrong I don't even know where to begin refuting your > statements. Wrong or not, many of his statements seem to ring familiar. I've heard it before from lurking on the lists -- some people (not all newbies) have misgivings on where the project is headed. I think it would help if ordinary people like us understood what some of the new-fangled features are really about. It's clear that some very senior developers don't fully understand, or have doubts about, Geom and KSE(*) (to take two examples). The "status reports" describe them a bit, but not in nearly enough detail, I feel. Some time Matt wrote a very detailed and educational article in daemonnews about the VM, where even I felt I could understand what was going on (an illusion, no doubt). Interestingly, that article seems to have grown out of a mail he wrote to the linux guys: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-mm/2000-05/msg00419.html That mail is really worth reading too. That is why I have so much difficulty in believing that he is such a disagreeable person "behind the scenes". Anyway, I hope he'll still be present on the lists. For the other issues raised by Shaun, it may be all totally wrong, but it would be nice if someone knowledgeable sat down and wrote a status document (aimed at non-experts) on all the new stuff, perhaps for daemonnews. Shaun's mail could even be a good starting point. -- Rahul (*)After writing that, I had another look at the project web pages cited in the status report, http://www.freebsd.org/kse/ and http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/Geom/ . It's not actually so uninformative as I thought, but it's still worth filling them out, especially Geom. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message