From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 8 05:19:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AC510656C8 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 05:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vwe@freebsd.org) Received: from Mail.elbekies.net (mail.elbekies.net [217.6.211.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010048FC24 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 05:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bel.soho.vwsoft.com (p57A0D9BA.dip.t-dialin.net [87.160.217.186]) by Mail.elbekies.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7C9F82E037; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:02:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.16.4] (dardanos.sz.vwsoft.com [192.168.16.4]) by bel.soho.vwsoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C83533C7F; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:00:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4C8718C3.3000804@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 07:01:55 +0200 From: vwe@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100811 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vadim Goncharov References: <201009011653.o81Grkm4056064@fire.js.berklix.net> <201009011902.06538.hselasky@c2i.net> <4C8627A6.1090308@icyb.net.ua> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-VWSoft-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-ID: 7C9F82E037.A61E2 X-Elbekies-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: vwe@freebsd.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1284526936.86431@nzEhMBqknOrbVoaB7yJVzw Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: FreeBSD 6.4 and 8.0 EoLs coming soon X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 05:19:43 -0000 [removed security@ which is not nearly related to topic] On 09/07/10 23:31, Vadim Goncharov wrote: > 07.09.10 @ 18:53 Andriy Gapon wrote: >> The reason is performance for overall network stack, not ideology. > > For a practical reasons, "it works but slow" is better than > "doesn't work at all (due to absence of code in the src tree)". > > "Make it work. Make it right. Make it fast. In that order", know this? > Sacrificing "work" for "fast"?.. Hmm, if it is not ideology, then what > is it?.. > >> BTW, there were advanced notices for users, request for volunteers, etc. >> >> So, if you didn't speak up at that time please keep silence now :-) > > You do not understand the problem. It is not in notices & volunteers, > but rather in the Project's policy - delete something which could still > work. Personally, I don't use ISDN, so didn't said anything that time, > but now, there are more precedents of removing components from FreeBSD - > so, for now, I must say that this policy is harmful. Though I doubt that > one man's opinion could change Project's policy until it's too late... > Vadim, it (i4b) worked, nobody was maintaining it, nobody opted to maintain it, everybody was asked to maintain it, nobody wanted, everybody has been asked to speak up if the code will be axed out, nobody spoke up, it has been axed out ... 13 months ago and even then nobody complained about. Are _you_ willing to maintain it?