From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jul 31 00:55:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA14297 for current-outgoing; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA14292 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA27165; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:25:16 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199707310755.RAA27165@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: core group topics In-Reply-To: <20284.870334493@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jul 31, 97 00:34:53 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:25:15 +0930 (CST) Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, freebsd-current@freefall.FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > > Well, that's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that > a significant percentage of people looking at the whole idea have so > far gone "No, I'm outright OPPOSED to this idea. I do not want ELF." > It's not as passive a situation as you might think. Beg to differ, but most of the people that have stood up in opposition have not stated an opposition to ELF per se, but as you have previously observed to the significant transitional problems that would be bound to surface, particularly in the light of their perception of the benefits involved. John P. put it succintly when he said that we need to think about what ELF _would_ buy us, not what it might cost. IMHO Jeff Hsu's observation about Java is almost enough weight on its own; if we want to be taken seriously as a development and server platform, the JDK is going to be a mandatory component. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[