Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:21:13 -0700 From: Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com> To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com> Cc: Jeremy Messenger <mezz.freebsd@gmail.com>, freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org Subject: Re: yelp update ? Message-ID: <CAN6yY1tbtjn7D7%2BZMq4zjCvNa6S2LSoe1xV-Pm5tdHA7Yq7BhA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <15321.1336774319@tristatelogic.com> References: <CADLFttf=tUxw5y4Yte%2Bf=OV2KTZ%2B_K9UzFHcE1hMzk8iFEfozQ@mail.gmail.com> <15321.1336774319@tristatelogic.com>
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On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg@tristatelogic.com> wrote: > > In message <CADLFttf=3DtUxw5y4Yte+f=3DOV2KTZ+_K9UzFHcE1hMzk8iFEfozQ@mail.= gmail.com> > , you wrote: > >>>>You should ask GNOME folks why they stopped update the 2.x version. >>> >>> I am guessing that they would probably say that it was because they mov= ed >>> on to work on 3.x. No? >> >>Yep. MATE is trying to fork GNOME 2 and keep it alive. >> >>http://mate-desktop.org/ > > Hummm... never heard of that before. =A0But I just looked at the "About" = page > on that web site. =A0Unfortunately, it doesn't answer the obvious questio= n... > Why fork? =A0Why not just go with the flow and work with the other chaps = who > (it seems) are pushing ahead to GNOME 3.x? Work on Gnome3 has been on-going, but it is very Linux-centric and things like devkit are central to it and very hard to port of FreeBSD. > (Forgive me. =A0I am entirely ignorant about any of this stuff. =A0I real= ly > don't know any of the history or politics of anything even remotely conne= cted > to GNOME. =A0I only know that, in general, forks are Bad, because they im= ply > fracturing of a development community.) This is more of a fracturing of the user community. If you look at Gnome3, it bears little resemblance to Gnome2. And the changes are very much functional, not just cosmetic. The Gnome team (not the FreeBSD one) decided that a standardized, non-modifiable look and feel was needed by Gnome. As a result, Gnome3 offers little ability to modify the default operation. They decided that minimizing (iconifying) windows was not needed, so it's gone. Last I looked (which is not even close to recently) they had removed almost all setting options from the desktop. Much of the user community simply rebelled. many either reused to update or switched to KDE. While the Gnome team (for whom I am NOT speaking) has ported much of Gnome3 and many people run it, it is still lacking too much system integration to be a replacement for Gnome2. and, if if did, I would not update to it. I want focus follows pointer and no auto-raise. >>> I understand your difficulty here. However I am inclined to ask if you >>> have been laboring under this unfortunate impediment since circa Sept. = 28 >>> 2010. >> >>Who care about the date? It is a latest stable version. We finally got >>this bug report in 2012! It took about one and half year for anyone to >>find this bug. It shows that how many people click on the help? > > Well, the long gap between the bug's first existance and its first formal > report is indeed rather surprising. =A0But keep in mind that not everyone= who > sees a bug will make a formal report about it. =A0Many folks who are new > (or new-ish) to FreeBSD or to GNOME may be hesitant to file formal report= s > because either they think (incorrectly) that they must have done somethin= g > wrong (e.g. during installation) or else they don't want to cause any > ``trouble'' to/for the developers, or perhaps they are just (wrongly) > intimidated by the mechanics of the PR filing process. Actually, a fix was submitted for this on April 28 and it has been committed, so yelp has worked for me for a couple of weeks and for everyone who updates their yelp. (I worked with Jody Caldwell to get the PR submitted, but he submitted the one-line fix.) Note this this was a one-line bug fix, not an upgrade to a development version of yelp. I think two weeks after PR submission to commit is not all that bad. (Yes, a PR had not been submitted because Jody was unsure of how to submit one, but it only took one message from me describing it before he submitted it.) > I certainly would not assume that nobody had ever even noticed that Help > didn't work before now (e.g. in gthumb, evince, braceros). =A0It is, I th= ink, > a testament to the skill of the developers of these packages that their > individual user interfaces are sufficiently intuitive that people, includ= ing > myself, can struggle along and make productive use of these things for > quite some time even in the total absence of documentation. =A0(I knew ab= out > the problem myself a couple of months ago, but was never motivated to fil= e > anything about it until just recently. =A0I myself believed for awhile th= at > the problem must have arisen from something that I had screwed up during > installation.) Works fine for me with the latest yelp port. Again, I am onlhy speaking my views as I am mot a member of the Gnome team and don't speak or them. --=20 R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com
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