From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 26 14:16:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9471065672 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:16:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from tinker.exit.com (tinker.exit.com [206.223.0.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A348FC1F for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:16:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: from jill.exit.com (jill.exit.com [206.223.0.4]) by tinker.exit.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2QEFxLm050782; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:15:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=exit.com; s=tinker; t=1206540959; bh=8e2PWvcZuqgFB7bKT79rJYqkFQM=; h=X-Authentication-Warning:Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Organization: Date:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=V5FAV/wINs8z4WjmCV7bUaF8+ GJjXe98qCDMPB3D/pwGZ2sEjuU5ht6mj1280E8kqwyG1J6mYAZQnGbq1EHhQwnMMYRz EoB8O351qrmNEiX3s2/UQXT6mYG/yunJttIwen7Dd86bUcqMj1XMdz+UQcMGcznCumR +GZqLDr5FnjM= Received: from jill.exit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jill.exit.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m2QEFx6V040393; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:15:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) Received: (from frank@localhost) by jill.exit.com (8.14.1/8.14.2/Submit) id m2QEFxGu040357; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:15:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@exit.com) X-Authentication-Warning: jill.exit.com: frank set sender to frank@exit.com using -f From: Frank Mayhar To: Michel Talon In-Reply-To: <20080326140038.GA75425@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <20080326140038.GA75425@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Exit Consulting Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:15:56 -0700 Message-Id: <1206540956.45634.22.camel@jill.exit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.0 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/6396/Wed Mar 26 03:29:12 2008 on tinker.exit.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports system woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: frank@exit.com List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:16:01 -0000 On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 15:00 +0100, Michel Talon wrote: > Frank Mayhar wrote: > > > Portupgrade is, in fact, my preferred application, although > > lately I've had to move to portmaster just because of the O(n^2) > > inefficiencies. It doesn't need to be replaced, it needs to be fixed, > > I have rarely seen such a wonderful contradiction between the two halves > of the same sentence. There's no "contradiction," Michel. "Fixing" isn't the same thing as "rewriting" and despite the fact that I'm using portmaster at the moment, portupgrade _is_ my preferred application. > > Oh, please. The FreeBSD ports system works as well. Instead of > No, it doesn't or it does barely. Do you even _use_ it? It's working fine for me, modulo the few problems that have been caused solely by the increase in size of the collection. > > complaining, why don't you actually do someting about it? Code speaks > > louder than mere words. > We have learnt recently that many people have brought code to the table, > including myself, You mean your python code? What does it do that's useful? I ran it and it gives me a lot of output that's just not very interesting or useful and doesn't offer to correct anything. And what "many people?" When code is offered, I've seen it generally accepted, if it's complete. If you think the ports system should be rewritten, rewrite it. If it's better than the existing solution, I'm sure the world will beat a path to your door. Otherwise, well, them's the breaks. > only to be scorned by people of your sort. I have yet > to see people like you contributing any testing or discussion when code > is offered, all you are good for is parrotting "Code speaks louder than > mere words". I'm not the one who is complaining that the ports system is "broken," Michel. -- Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar*