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Thu, 11 Jul 2019 06:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:58:58 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: raspberry pi 4 Message-ID: <20190711105858.GE4904@mon.zyxst.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org References: <20190709161243.GC4904@mon.zyxst.net> <20190710031750.GB28522@lonesome.com> <5fcba83d-2207-accc-ab33-a33085c80753@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q8BnQc91gJZX4vDc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5fcba83d-2207-accc-ab33-a33085c80753@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.0 (2019-05-25) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 3DB3671B81 X-Spamd-Bar: --------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm3 header.b=BrcpuWuG; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=ANXfR1IY; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 66.111.4.29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-9.22 / 15.00]; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:59:07 -0000 --Q8BnQc91gJZX4vDc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:30:06AM -0700, Johannes Lundberg wrote: >Please note, this is not criticism in any way and I'm not trying to >diminish the work developers do on these boards. Everyone is free to >work on what they want. Question is, do we want a single board computer >that's actually usable for something or only as tinker toys? Without >direction, I'm afraid they will always be half working tinker toys due >to the limited amount of developers we have. > >If anyone disagrees, I welcome your point of view. Thing is, everything is a "tinker toy" in a sense before it becomes a useful device. I think if future development had to be aimed at a=20 specific board make, it would make sense to aim at 64-bit=20 raspberry pi due to its low cost and popularity. I'm not a developer but an end user. I have at least one of every pi version with the exception of the pi zero. These pi boards make great single-purpose computers that use hardly any electrical power.=20 I have one which is an internet radio, another is a nightcam for the=20 badgers at the bottom of the garden, another is a split-horizon=20 name server running unbound. They are *not* toys.=20 The rpi4 looks like it would be a capable multi-purpose desktop. I really hope freebsd continues to be runnable on these computers. I read somewhere (sorry I don't have the link) that the older raspberry pi versions are still in production as some have found a niche in industral automation/processes, that kind of thing. --=20 J. --Q8BnQc91gJZX4vDc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl0nFmgACgkQs8o7QhFz NAVh6A/+ItqIqrMUuD1Wbsh7854pOoK8+q6FQ8xSOTO/0IiLtuZrjiDtZoCojwB6 lq8Ng668HoFj/XqfKgGbi/dtLt4r05cVKWr9vBPbZ8eEzzzhinOOCx2QJPmAZiF4 EXq+6UOE9w4mslsXkqs0roFcdkw/NuuN81AuP0WU34xqT8OaAFhjEnYAo4Ray0CZ 2ypehdPdXJAiW1yIBRs8HpCJTEH2Tkvy9Ktiegk6VGqQZhxi6z5BHLJUuirEZaxk 6t3gsSxVZtdpm/kHGtYsL34tFeft8SAc6srxt10xOl3uZWOe17CRHFuKrMUsHMkw MK5OsWnTzEJRxDudnV6s6QAmqIOByVySBi3RuAYmhWwJqHn9bU3eqaXE58az/CoD gdsFjnH/WLKNKzbGaus77ZC0d8552yu5NWDxcd7VFuo5zBHYIKLURd+I4VSy2oH3 kPmy0uNUOk0AnWrZxggZyds1gC6OmpD1LUjXB4kdlHIBNvVV8mzt6tirKkgVC12g vv9thcC5iHbsHNEmpa30sKZUojQcBRaRx00j9JqnRCOHOat2e95ZNTnflCnQUJe1 JtV4FhKp4f9HR2/KLpiT/UgiV9bQrlzdgEzOagpAOHCBeqp7Ea5ZlikYWMmwZnsW H5/nHJYnGGSupCAgtOsvfjjFFwFSyRvT45PyAKtdhU7OYup293g= =/EWx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q8BnQc91gJZX4vDc--