From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 4 18:18:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-current Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA12356 for current-outgoing; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA12347 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA07762; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:14:59 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199609050114.SAA07762@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Latest Current build failure To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:14:58 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, terry@lambert.org, current@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Richard Wackerbarth" at Sep 4, 96 03:45:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-current@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As usual, the "powers that be" refuse to either make changes or allow > others to do so. > > I described in detail an exact methodology which would at least allow us to > test the assertions that "there is no problem". I even offered to > coordinate the changes. However, since I'm not one of the "anointed > few"...... > The status quo wins again. :-( > > I'm afraid I'll have to side with Terry. (January or February ?) Understand that this is a process problem, not a "powers that be" problem. This is not a case of siding "with Terry" and "against the powers that be". This is a case of pointing at a broken process and saying out loud "Oh, look! A broken process!". If you are looking at this as a "powers that be" problem, then you are pointing at the effect and calling it the cause. The first step towards a fix is to allow the process to be changed, and to attack all the systemic problems from that angle. This will have the effect of relieving the pressure on Jordan and David, and it will then be possible to tackle the other, more meaningful, problems. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.