From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Dec 23 09:05:05 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDB413522C3 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 09:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B04069AB3 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 09:05:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C279413522C2; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 09:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C1913522C1 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 09:05:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67A9369AB1; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 09:05:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id azgvgGWkRnBo4azgwgCkVv; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 02:05:01 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=J8fUEzvS c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=2ur7OfE09M0A:10 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=9-x2D7QJGkHYpgIlwuEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72BE38E2; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 01:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wBN94uPV014176; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 01:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id wBN94uKM014173; Sun, 23 Dec 2018 01:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201812230904.wBN94uKM014173@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= cc: Cy Schubert , Yuri Pankov , Mark Peek , Enji Cooper , Warner Losh , freebsd-current Subject: Re: workaround for VMware WS NAT bug triggered by OpenSSH 7.8p1 changes In-Reply-To: Message from =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= of "Sun, 23 Dec 2018 09:42:33 +0100." <86pntszlae.fsf@next.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 01:04:56 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfK8fcfW2/a6gawFDSPcRuxrizmzTRNs9zDHZrkZQQlJN9thGyGngv/X3r7i5GOnBMO6lqsKibUAyhXoKg1BEBI+oQ1QtFUeM1gZKCC1ReDZ/SmEZc4lx /wuPvJJh6ecPJ8z7CaWqbLsWVdFnt56Z4+KLg/SCwNX2TkyBGma42x1NaKeZRH0bJq0Vm5f4kK0PZaxU8TcaQOobNbUndBbPrLuY2XyQpNPireDs0AVbePWM MLF3s27xTaeyIpAp6lsVsWaK3Etj3DxIiwvNIrqP+yeVPeMp+doC/u3+q3tjxu1mMyp+HRs6WRoz51v6D+gWMg== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 67A9369AB1 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.02 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.43)[0.431,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.74)[ip: (-4.21), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-2.45), asn: 6327(-1.96), country: CA(-0.09)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[137.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 09:05:05 -0000 In message <86pntszlae.fsf@next.des.no>, =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rg rav?= w rites: > Cy Schubert writes: > > Hmmm. I guess Red Hat Enterprise Linux must be a toy OS then. > > I don't speak for them, but I assure you that both their code and ours > are full of workarounds for bugs in third-party software and hardware, > and it is ridiculous to claim otherwise. I know our code is full of workarounds and theirs probably too. The question is should we? IMO no. It's yet another thing that diverges from baseline and that adds support costs (well, ok we're not a for profit business but you get the idea). Sure, you may be the person to support ssh here but divergence from baseline is usually not a good thing. When I was developer as a living management would rule against this kind of thing. Their rationale at the time was, "what if you're away?" At the time I'd curse at them but thinking about it years later, they did have a point. > > > No. We do like Red Hat does. Advise the customer to use a workaround > > until the other vendor fixes their code. > > With respect, that's not your decision. It's mine. With respect, I disagree with your decision then. Please don't make that decision because your going to show me though. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.