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[79.219.188.55]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u81sm16069879wmu.10.2016.11.20.14.51.22 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 20 Nov 2016 14:51:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Microsoft announced it is joining The Linux Foundation? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20161118113224.20964d7d.freebsd@edvax.de> <747a871c-4d34-7c06-0c04-4650f31bb6ce@FreeBSD.org> <14047.128.135.52.6.1479482907.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20161118165549.408e9a9f@archlinux.localdomain> <86zikv5mqu.fsf@WorkBox.homestead.org> <5831FE03.2030207@gmail.com> <20161120222249.05a75d9e@moonstudio> <20161120223714.c04ab707.freebsd@edvax.de> From: cpghost Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 23:51:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161120223714.c04ab707.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:51:28 -0000 On 11/20/16 22:37, Polytropon wrote: > Home consumers are, yes. For those who need a specific software > which is available only for "Windows", or those who are already > affected by vendor lock-in (data cannot be migrated, programs > do not exist in portable code form etc.), and those who are > under strict requirements (see above) this is not true. With > upcoming hardware configurations, that ability of choice will > be harder and harder to implement (things like "Restricted Boot"). Oh man, how I grew to hate this discussion that keeps coming up time and again... We have a divided market here: a home consumer market with el-cheapo motherboards that will progressively get vendor-locked down; and then there's the business market where you can get pricier unlocked motherboards where you can install any OS without any kind of restrictions whatsoever. Personally, I've given up on consumer crap entirely, except for some rare exceptions. If I need a file server for my ZFS pools, I'll get a *server board* (say from SuperMicro) with ECC RAM, enough SATA ports, etc., where I'm sure there's no issues with BIOS/Firmware and all this. Plus, with good ECC RAM, I won't get silent corruption creeping into my zpools, which is un underestimated problem. It's *that* simple. And as to mobile computing, I *whished* I settled for a good commercial/industrial ragged notebook that is fully compatible to FreeBSD, but I'm still searching for replacement right now (running Linux Mint on a Lenovo Yoga 2 because FreeBSD doesn't support its Wireless Adapter). Everything else, well, used smartphone with CyanogenMod... not *great*, but good enough, and tinkerable. So, everyone gets what they're ready to pay for. We've been riding on the economics of scale of the mass market for a long time, but this era is over. Now, it's morphing into a walled garden, and we professionals and tinkerers will have to pay for professional machines (again). That's the way it is. Get over it. >> If people still use e.g. a service provided by Microsoft, despite of all >> we know about the Microsoft and Linux conspiracy/conspiracies, this is >> another evidence for the conspiracy/conspiracies. > > Leaked NSA material _proves_ the role of MICROS~1 within the > spying apparatus aimed at people. But as I said in another > message, they don't do it because of "pure evil", they do it > for the money and influence, which is the driving force within > capitalism. Whatever. So Microsoft are in bed with the NSA? Regular users won't mind, because the NSA aren't bad guys to them (seriously, if NSA provided an E-Mail hosting service, that would be even better than hosting on Gmail), and corporate users e.g. in R&D worth their salt wouldn't use Microsoft machines, unless they want to share their data with the NSA and therefore with their US competitors. That too is as simple as that. No need get all up in arms about it. People and companies with a need to protect their data already know what to do and what NOT to do. It's not like there ain't no alternatives. So, please, all this is a fight of the past. It's like trying to keep up the dike while the water has already flooded 2/3 of Holland. My 2 cents. C. P. Ghost.