From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 30 15:30:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8761065672 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:30:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [IPv6:2001:4070:101:2::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A948FC45 for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 15:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4UFUf4q018430; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:30:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n4UFUbk3018427; Sat, 30 May 2009 17:30:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 17:30:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chuck Robey In-Reply-To: <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> Message-ID: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th><200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com><200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com><20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Manolis Kiagias , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Gary Gatten Subject: Re: What is this forum for? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 15:30:49 -0000 > Hey folks, all of you, could I please sugggest that this entire thread (under a > variety of subject names) is an abuse of the lists? Generally i do agree with you. But - in my opinion there are lots of other abuses. Whenever i pointed this out i got tons of protests from others. So please - who should decide what's on and whats off topic? For me - if talks about programs just because it runs under FreeBSD is OK, then everything is OK. About politics, sport, choosing printservers. Why telling someone that want to "switch" from windows to FreeBSD that better stay with windows is wrong? It's my opinion and my way to help him/her to save time. And it's proved, over hundred people i know that ever tried to "switch" to linux or FreeBSD, got back to windows within short time. Of course - switching the way of using computer from windows-style to unix-style is another thing, is very welcome and is likely to succeed. The argument "it's nothing wrong to help others" is a nonsense too. Yes - help, but about FreeBSD, or on other list, or on priv. Or maybe democratic method - when more and louder shouts it's right - it's right?! Doesn't you see a nonsense?! Once again - please DO MODERATED list, with clearly defined rules what's right and what's not. Whatever the rules will be (approved/defined by FreeBSD owners) - it will be OK. About stats i had to do - i AM working on this, but i was not aware how much work it needs. I'm reading mails from february each year, and now "processed" four years only. So sorry for not doing it for today morning, but i wasn't aware it's too short time. Another question - some of you said that "outdated" hardware is welcome too as gifts for FreeBSD team. I actually have lots of them, and NON-typical things, that would be useful. I prepared a list, and can make photos. I already sent a mail to one developer but got no response. Maybe he is just busy or absent, anyway what's the best address for this.