From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Apr 22 01:17:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA01437 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wgold.demon.co.uk (wgold.demon.co.uk [158.152.96.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA01426 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wgold.demon.co.uk by wgold.demon.co.uk (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id la001363 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:15:00 +0100 Message-ID: <335B9284.6E78@westongold.com> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:15:00 +0100 From: James Mansion Organization: Westongold Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M.R.Murphy" CC: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Price of FreeBSD (was On Holy Wars...) References: <199704201506.IAA11828@meerkat.mole.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Info: Westongold Ltd: +44 1992 620025 www.westongold.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk M.R.Murphy wrote: > > Are these comments from practice of experience or from theory of experience? Largely from numerous sad experiences relying on version 1.0s in the past. I'm just a pissed off cynical old goat, and I like other people to do the bleeding. ;-) I'm also very wary of the subtle nature of thread related bugs. For example, a gentleman posted some code here that he claimed implemented fast semaphores and that had been stable for ages. But it has fundamental race conditions in it. So I'd look for a very long gestation and testing period, much as I would with a DBMS. If you think about it, lots of people ran Solaris 2.x for a while, some quite successfully, but for threaded and SMP use it was pretty awful until 2.4 patch something or other. And people ran various NT and W95 versions for a long time prior to release, some very successfully, but that didn't make them perfect either. (Tell me about it. Is WinCE 1.0 finished? Like hell. Pah.) > > ;-) > > -- > Mike Murphy mrm@Mole.ORG +1 619 598 5874 > Better is the enemy of Good -- --------------------------------------- Westongold Ltd C++/Java Multithread development and libraries +44 1920 444284 info@westongold.com