From owner-freebsd-python@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 23 17:57:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: python@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-python@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D5A16A46E for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:57:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.236]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC30613C465 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:57:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 34so309787nzf for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:57:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eRm96XUnkcffFMpwSJPcN2bojibLPZPWhCoYwufSuZQMJhVIuzYScE7gjQELJsXMol6/R+GYyarStm3mgMY3PXje0D2Wz6J/kxZsWMYx+rvoI/7DiAxxtWE02mawg7HfxieAtscZffBgPetEaEZ0xyOltZ3Y+Kej+Mw9O3OuIpo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GIfrx7qGiOODGm3dd3eqGWITUru+TyX7mtQa+83IKyFCZ3lGk+RW5AbF+JT90CVQ7QAdCsvzcgU4oKNbEA0Eq04VM0lzFJu30Pvbn0JIcR5nwcp+w8Q/GM8M7qyaopww6LkK1R62x2klfqBRFz+gfGKpWpIK3pKhqErlbZ3CTdQ= Received: by 10.114.210.2 with SMTP id i2mr4001047wag.1182621445624; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.194.5 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:57:25 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" To: "Alexander Botero-Lowry" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070610203735.CFB733B477@cherenkov.geekfire.com> Cc: python@freebsd.org, Hye-Shik Chang Subject: Re: setuptools status X-BeenThere: freebsd-python@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@FreeBSD.org List-Id: FreeBSD-specific Python issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:57:27 -0000 On 6/11/07, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > On 6/11/07, Alexander Botero-Lowry wrote: > > > Python modules are slowly moving from distutils > > > to setuptools. I have no python experience, but > > > I see that this causes serious and annoying > > > problems for newer ports. > > > > Are you referring to the OSRELEASE problem, or are you referring to the > > intra-port egg dependency problem? > > I'm referring to the general mess with all these > eggs. For now I'm patching ports to revert back > to distutils, but it's not completely compatible > with setuptools. > > > > Is there someone willing to identify and attempt > > > to solve the problems? > > We have ok solutions for many of these problems; it's hard to do anything > > better (or simply impossible) in some cases. In other cases the update to > > Python 2.5 (which I started fixing on and miwi@ is helping out with) > > includes considerably better support for setuptools. > > It's great to know that! I wanted to ask some specific questions today, but after diving into the dark water of countless discussions on distutils-sig, debian-python and two dozen of other popular mailing-lists, I'm not so sure anymore. >From what Alexander tells me and from the current version of the python-2.5 patch it seems that we're officially very happy with eggs. A short executive summary about changes in python import mechanism that prevent us from just ignoring the whole egg-mania would be very much appreciated. Thanks for all the effort going into the 2.5.x upgrade! Thanks!