From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed Sep 23 19:13:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437A5A07913 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 19:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C25417F7 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 19:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 286A3A07912; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 19:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2803AA07911 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 19:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AC117F6 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 19:13:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E7133C24; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id B93A939819; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:13:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Glenn English Cc: "stable\@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: when the sshd hits the fan References: <56026686.8030308@norma.perm.ru> <86wpvhjm7g.fsf@nine.des.no> <5602C0C2.5010102@norma.perm.ru> <50FC7B1F-1009-449C-9215-E3EBFD0CA7F5@slsware.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:13:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <50FC7B1F-1009-449C-9215-E3EBFD0CA7F5@slsware.net> (Glenn English's message of "Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:34:39 -0600") Message-ID: <447fnhkkyx.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 19:13:37 -0000 Glenn English writes: > On Sep 23, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Michael Loftis wrote: > >> That's the most common thing, RC scripts hanging waiting on external >> resources while you're locked out simply because sshd starts >> ridiculously late. Very common problem. > > If properly configed, shouldn't things come up in order, with their > dependencies already running? Or is specifying boot order not possible > on FBSD? Yes; that's done with rcorder(8). The startup order isn't completely defined, just the dependencies that require being started before (or, occasionally, after) some other service. > I can certainly understand the possible need for SSH, just for incase, > but I'd think things could be set to do stuff in the proper > order. Except for cyclic dependencies, of course -- a significant bug > for the maintainers. The discussion here is whether the "proper order" should be changed from the current default. As for cycles in the graph, rcorder already detects that.