From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Tue Apr 19 08:41:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3437BB11699 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CD01678; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8C817DF; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:41:29 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: Julian Elischer , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <20160419084129.GI1554@FreeBSD.org> References: <20160302235429.GD75641@FreeBSD.org> <57152CE5.5050500@FreeBSD.org> <9D4B9C8B-41D7-42BC-B436-D23EFFF60261@ixsystems.com> <20160418191425.GW1554@FreeBSD.org> <5715DD2E.903@freebsd.org> <20160419073117.GG1554@FreeBSD.org> <20160419083911.GG6614@zxy.spb.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XtpQQdSJWUg3xMR5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160419083911.GG6614@zxy.spb.ru> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT amd64 X-SCUD-Definition: Sudden Completely Unexpected Dataloss X-SULE-Definition: Sudden Unexpected Learning Event X-PEKBAC-Definition: Problem Exists, Keyboard Between Admin/Computer User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 08:41:32 -0000 --XtpQQdSJWUg3xMR5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:39:11AM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 07:31:17AM +0000, Glen Barber wrote: >=20 > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 03:24:30PM +0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > We've managed to keep this disease out of BSD since I started to do i= t in > > > 1990. First we laughed/fumed at Sun's Solaris when they unbundled the > > > compiler. then we fumed at xorg when hey took a useful package and ma= de 190 > > > odd packages out of it. Please don't force this on us! > > >=20 > >=20 > > What isn't clear about the *numerous* statements that no one is being > > *forced* to use packaged base? >=20 > Because nowhere present roadmap about co-existing packaged base and > traditionsl install. > Because nowhere present roadmap of packaged base future. > Because package base is show-stoper for 11.0 relese -- this is read as > "11.0 switch to package base". >=20 And nowhere did it say "buildworld/buildkernel would no longer work." Glen --XtpQQdSJWUg3xMR5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXFe80AAoJEAMUWKVHj+KTDroP/0+jh5JtMu6b3K5OOKI+XeO+ rrYt2wtOrv0mWp81wp1ohdkr0D3VbfjtscARQ2vYkecGazbGehL5g2tPFG7Kzn59 g/OOJr37jdl7AJlg9mDPPaNuSx1jVg1gDXQKaDx48UJkxwL6bxBCtfHbiXw8Vxx7 4hM2R/Z+dpnKiZR8rYgg58r6u2gz74kOcrheKtFpSmKl1cMudkMPP4562PUlQjhW WMBW+s/sg6emdTz6lj/coQrrBZ6VnkkQwFPpLHavZGGG6yiPLPs1MUu/HtTFlgZp 68+KHVzk+lbpSOlbOY80+v9fU3dWWZZLVVk0EyTgzbWiX+NLkHikC/c/il2u4tfz Je4GlfF9cfZyNDF9buzOK8GRQKB2Ff6FyzxBrVHAQLsjqc0IqMUD/zWY/1c4BkOD ZpoJcTl/3huqzkApkvhTy+j4Ffo+yYIaXHo+XBKbiSYYF/rFbc0IOxIh16AKyTsA j7xNxol8lukk42grhmmN5J+fGmQ9O9uZdEw+RwAk7etc/Bs+csg47EVPBrWE3Qqr r0UDgpncCmOBD50gROElp9N0Home5u3pcV1cUzFj5xcWaVVkNvoVmKf+Nv9/1RtX sbw9i7Ir/G7Bde9nCVWkm3tjQWJKhH8CbQ1i69vJVbYzTXwfBDCEfKyuAYUx9a5M WrN9PBgEdnqTqRR/p3vT =3vBn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XtpQQdSJWUg3xMR5--