Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:53:54 -0700 From: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> To: Piotr Kubaj <pkubaj@anongoth.pl> Cc: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org>, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>, Gerald Pfeifer <gerald@freebsd.org>, ports-committers@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r504198 - head/Mk Message-ID: <201906151753.x5FHrsb5006183@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: Message from Piotr Kubaj <pkubaj@anongoth.pl> of "Sat, 15 Jun 2019 18:47:03 %2B0200." <20190615164703.GB33091@ThinkPad-X200.g.anongoth.pl>
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I didn't say it wasn't being developed. If you re-read what I said, at *$JOB* we are retiring it. I suppose I should have been more clear. It's not Power specifically, it's AIX (which runs on Power). -- Cheers, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. In message <20190615164703.GB33091@ThinkPad-X200.g.anongoth.pl>, Piotr Kubaj wr ites: > > > --D7o1ScvGXX0ARfga > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Actually, POWER is actively develeped. > > There is POWER9 (released in 2017) and POWER10 is coming in next year. Ther= > e is a renewed interest in POWER platform with Raptor's boards that people = > use for desktops. > > There are also plans for POWER10-based laptop, so POWER is far from being d= > ead. > > On 19-06-15 09:33:39, Cy Schubert wrote: > >In message <20190615134332.GA32655@FreeBSD.org>, Alexey Dokuchaev > >writes: > >> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 06:13:46AM +0000, Mark Linimon wrote: > >> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 05:58:22PM +0000, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > >> > > These old GCC releases are often the only working solution for ports > >> > > on sparc64/powerpc > >> > > >> > I'm not aware of the powerpc dependencies. Do you have a list? > >> > We are actively working on ports on powerpc (especially powerpc64). > >> > >> Actually, things look better on powerpc, last time I recall I was able > >> to successfully build gcc7 port for it. Typically I'd use earlier > >> versions because they take less tmpfs space and faster to build. > >> > >> > w/rt sparc64, I no longer consider sparc64 viable. There is too much > >> > pushback whenever I mention it. My development machines were powered > >> > down 1.5 years ago as I turned my attention primarily to powerpc64 > >> > and to some extent arm*. > >> > >> That's very sad. I've been fixing some BROKEN_sparc64 ports in the > >> early 2018 using QEMU. It was very slow, but worked fine overall. > >> I forgot exactly which FreeBSD version I was able to boot. > > > >You can thank Oracle for that. Sure the handwriting was on the wall, > >Oracle pretty much set the tone with the various decisions they've made > >regarding Sparc and Solaris. At $JOB the push retire Sparc is > >noticeable. One would think that they are being encouraged to replace > >Sparc (& PowerPC) with x86 on Linux but even that is being discouraged > >in favour of docker images using the Linux or Windows ABI. Sadly > >traditional platforms are a thing of the past, current platforms will > >soon be, to be replaced by layers of stubs. Not that I agree with it > >but it is an observation. > > > >Where this will end up is anybody's guess but the transformation is > >seismic. The gig economy plays into this as well, as witnessed how > >contracts for development of microservices are contracted out here. > > > > > >--=20 > >Cheers, > >Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> > >FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org > > > > The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. > > > > > > > > > >--=20 > >This message has been scanned for viruses and > >dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > >believed to be clean. > > > > --D7o1ScvGXX0ARfga > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQKTBAABCgB9FiEEycyIeNkkgohzsoorelmbhSCDnJ0FAl0FIQdfFIAAAAAALgAo > aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEM5 > Q0M4ODc4RDkyNDgyODg3M0IyOEEyQjdBNTk5Qjg1MjA4MzlDOUQACgkQelmbhSCD > nJ2w5Q//VSzcLKy72kWhsNbaWyk4dag3xe5qkaxao3Acpa+17OXhBMjNuge4RsXY > eja97WWcjt1yKfPqXW479+25WGkUa+qKvevQUIofcHdmOVbKb10drel+OzdPUJy3 > I7mxPkhZZTwaJkRkNBX5ldF5JNZaaskCY2dq3L2TWMGJ9DLbupJN2ygvI173yY7p > PzJOtZBxmQcgXUkQyBYXdWz4J/E+v3TZ+MsJUun5xcdvYJ6ojDXAnLRJaZ7mxEE/ > qR+sBa6wlboQ7FAzjSQpbq/03ZTRVgw9mf6VO+GnP6pn799j/EzNgc1NnTkqjXCE > +vOeJwhrELZ4OBMFuUcZzaCsTHUFiK7f8TFHftyB8IxxFfPy9LPVfMMs2gpd4awc > NEOA5tKgmovUOXBJl0M3AegQFe0hm4ee1BvsrUq1VmddZSDqWLxkPbcIns4KNV2M > ZVZQAxufdtuCmtv/p8NCv6ra9r9Uw5IgkRFxU2WAOCc7OOp6KU+SUy0z3jE756tR > y6sEcV2D90qnsA10ws6DrjYz/zMf9UADouEfwcSZ+a64L0bGfhjCdd9XO6ckU/jf > P68DU2bbZAapXp2nCwmjEp6kqgo36zLvjNpoNA0fFKCR/pYOyeQ3MJHAX3gv1i3s > /1CLGI8tnazOSQGc6XTYbquSMb8wUGXhkIopyIVrAHB8l/z2hgk= > =S8ND > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --D7o1ScvGXX0ARfga--
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