From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Feb 8 22:11:54 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C360CD42D8 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826AD6DD for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7ED93CD42D7; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E801CD42D4 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se) Received: from mailgate.leissner.se (mailgate.leissner.se [212.3.1.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF56A6DA for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se) Received: from mailgate.leissner.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate.leissner.se (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v18LouJO006269; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:50:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mailgate.leissner.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id v18LotUs006268; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:50:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se) Received: from pol.leissner.se(192.71.29.17), claiming to be "pol-server.leissner.se" via SMTP by mailgate.leissner.se, id smtpdwpA5zo; Wed Feb 8 22:50:53 2017 Received: from pol-server.leissner.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pol-server.leissner.se (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v18LorMU069417; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:50:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se) Received: (from pol@localhost) by pol-server.leissner.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id v18LoqXO069416; Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:50:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se) X-Authentication-Warning: pol-server.leissner.se: pol set sender to list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se using -f Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 22:50:52 +0100 From: list-freebsd-ports@jyborn.se To: scratch65535@att.net Cc: freebsd-ports Subject: Re: Install of pkg fuse-ntfs fails because of undefined symbol in pkg!?! Message-ID: <20170208215052.GL87610@pol-server.leissner.se> References: <1c6cccac-b151-d13c-c763-b336c4680118@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:11:54 -0000 On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 12:34:36PM -0500, scratch65535@att.net wrote: > For those people (I'm one) long version lifespans and bug-free > operation is a much bigger desideratum than winning the secret > race (I presume there is some kind of secret race going on, since > otherwise the crazy scheduling makes No Sense At All). I can't > work out what the strategy for winning is, if there is a > strategy, but I do know that it's not working. Linux has all > but won already, and that's sickening. > > I've been using the o/s since before v2 (I still have the cds) > and have watched FreeBSD go from being the leading Unix on Intel > boxes to all-but-dead. I don't know how to express how saddened > I feel about that. My feelings exactly. I've been a FreeBSD user and strong advocater since around FreeBSD v1/v2. But the last few years the management of FreeBSD has steered away from making the best server OS, and instead focusing on ... what exactly? Making the ports system capable of handling a totally overwhelming number of more or less meaningless ports of different versions and flavours, and rolling/retiring the base releases at high speed just to avoid drowning under the workload of keeping all those ports functional? Who needs/wants this evolution in a server OS? (Linux already owns the desktop, let's not waste any time discussing that regrettable fact.) I'm sorry, and apologies to all great heroes doing all the volunteer work on both FreeBSD base and the ports system, but this is how I feel about what is going on with FreeBSD. As I have never contributed to FreeBSD in any way, other than promoting it to others, I don't have a say in the matter, nor do I expect anyone to care about my view. But I'm just really, really sad to follow what in my opinion is the slow demise of FreeBSD. Sorry about all the negativism. Peter