From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 16 18:02:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F6B16A4CE for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:02:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C35343D31 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:02:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from atkielski.anthony@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 50E271C000AD for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:02:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from pix.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-111-2-1-3.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.80.3]) by mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1EF3E1C00042 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:02:07 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050316180207126.1EF3E1C00042@mwinf1103.wanadoo.fr Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 19:02:06 +0100 From: Anthony Atkielski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <786788698.20050316190206@wanadoo.fr> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <42383D1F.20005@makeworld.com> References: <20050315104454.W574@dru.domain.org> <20050315101228.Q25559@knight.ixsystems.net> <793354858.20050315202057@wanadoo.fr> <42383D1F.20005@makeworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:45:08 +0000 Subject: Re: BSD Certification Group press release X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:02:09 -0000 Chris writes: > I'm not entirely sure what this is 'sposed to mean. If it means what I > think it does, I'll translate. It means that the real purpose of certification--no matter what type of certification it might be--is to allow some people to make more money unfairly to the detriment of others. It pains me to see something like FreeBSD going down this path. Clearly, someone wants to make money off certifications, directly or indirectly, and no scruples prevent them from attacking the open-source domain to that end. Isn't it bad enough that this type of racket exists for proprietary software? Certification is a matter of some people calling themselves experts, devising tests to which only they are guaranteed to know all the answers, then charging other people to take the tests in an attempt to prove that they know exactly the same answers that the self-appointed experts know. Unfortunately, this says nothing about anyone's objective competence in the nominal domain of the test. It does make a lot of money for the people who devise and administer the tests, and it also restricts employment and artificially raises salaries for the few who are willing to go through the hazing ritual of certification. > Never mind the BSD certs, concentrate on MS certs - after all, that's > where the money is at. All certifications are designed to make money, nothing more and nothing less. > Well for me, I will do the BSD certs only for personal satisfaction. And who writes the exams, and what makes you believe that they are the ideal arbiters of competence? > Considering the types of user we BSD'ers seem to be (from my > experiences) sure, we care about money, but I'm willing to bet that > those of us that choose to do some sort of BSD certs, will be doing so > for our own personal satisfaction. I don't need a certification for my own personal satisfaction. I look to actual hands-on experience for that. Why trust a stranger to "certify" me, which I can find out firsthand in an indisputable way whether I'm competent or not? > That says much about the type of folks most of us are. At least > in my mind. It shows that even users of BSDs can be manipulated and hoodwinked. They may complain about the practices of a Microsoft or a Novell, but change the name and they fall immediately under the spell. -- Anthony