From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 11 15:12:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0DD37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:12:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDFE43F75 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0132.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.132] helo=mindspring.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ijZn-0003PZ-00; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:12:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3E498309.46B2200F@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:11:05 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hayes Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Modelling complexity (was: Re: matthew dillon) References: <200302111244.h1BCiP133899@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a463b5a6dea81c8398cd9fdd6ce422b18a666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave Hayes wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > Dave Hayes wrote: > > [ ... Blah blah blah ... ] > > No wonder you have problems debating. I've said none of the above that > you've attributed. Obviously you are unable to read what I wrote > and meaningfully duplicate it in your head. =) I had a long message prepared to send, which refuted the naieve assertions in your previous message, but I did not send it. > > [ huge list of books ] > > Thank you. That's not a "huge list of books", that's "two weeks worth of reading, four if you insist on going through all the math yourself". > >> > The technology used dictates the permissable behaviours of > >> > the people using it; > >> > >> This is obviously false, since people constantly behave otherwise. > >> Regardless, this should never be true, since technology is a servant, > >> not a master. > > > > Tell that to gravity. > > You are telling me gravity is a technology? No, I'm telling you the constraints of the technology available for use have the same effect on its application as the laws of physics have on people. For example, if all mail servers will only accept 5 messages per hour, and you are constrained to send outbound messages through your ISP's mail server, then no matter what kind of mail client you have, the maximum number of messages you will ever be able to send is 5 per hour, period. It might as well be a law of physics, as far as you are concerned. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message