From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 1 16:27: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB01E37B401 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1279543E4A for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:26:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with ESMTP id <20030102002657001003ncn6e>; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:26:57 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h020TM8S022787 for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:29:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h020S2LP022772; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 16:28:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bystander shot by a spam filter. References: <20030101152046.D32360@papagena.rockefeller.edu> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 01 Jan 2003 16:28:01 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20030101152046.D32360@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Message-ID: Lines: 50 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan writes: > Cliff Sarginson wrote: > > And it is in our time to name names. > > I would like to thank Gary Swearingem (that maybe an "n" and not an "m") > > for his persistence in refusing my attempts at apology. > > He alone, has reduced the FreeBSD community by one. > > I don't see why you're forming an opinion of the community by reading > -chat. It's quite unrepresentative, and the individual you named > isn't even a committer. You may as well form an opinion of the "linux > community" by reading slashdot at -1. Oh goody... Cliff makes a private matter public. Why? To shame me? (Of course, I feel sorry for being partially responsible if Cliff fulfills his claim, but I am comfortable in thinking that he deserves 99% of the blame.) Or does he mean to punish me by damaging my reputation among FreeBSD people by what people will wrongly assume in reading his brief non-explanation? (Unfortunately, I must now ask -chat readers who care to consider MY explanation, as if I can put this cat back in its bag. No doubt I'll wind up doing my own damage to my reputation in some minds, but I can't let this go by without comment.) He didn't form his opinion based on -chat; he just chose to take it public here. Most of our interactions started in -questions, with the most "interesting" stuff being kept off the lists. This current tantrum was triggered by my response to his four-word private message to which I privately replied (in essense) "No, I don't want to be friends; I don't like dealing with you most of the time, but I'll try to treat you like anybody else on the lists." I even praised him for wanting to be friends and said that there are plenty of others to befriend. But I didn't have to be clairvoyant to see an unhappy future in that course, and I think he should accept my kiss-off with more grace than he has. He had threatened before to quit and I tried to befriend him, talking about our common Dutch heritage and some other non-FreeBSD stuff, etc. Last New Year he claimed to have turned over a new leaf and I noticed the change in his postings for a while. Later we somehow got into talking a bit about politics and he just came out of the blue with some uncalled-for ugly anti-American rant to which I took great offense. I told him I that our friendship was over and have since ignored most of his posts and private messages. (Which might explain why I remember no apologies -- not that they'd change my opinion of Cliff. As "W" tried to say: fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Sometimes I wander if he just likes to keep me wasting my time on such foolishness; if so, he's fooled me way too often.) Have a happy New Year and happy new year. -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message