From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Dec 7 09:22:30 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA22E814B5 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB25B7E30A for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id EA8B1E814B3; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA426E814B2 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BCD7E307; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:22:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.55.3]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1352739B; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:22:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vB79M4qE072482 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:22:04 GMT (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vB79M2th072481; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 09:22:02 GMT (envelope-from phk) To: mike@karels.net cc: Cy Schubert , "cem@freebsd.org" , gjb@freebsd.org, "Pokala, Ravi" , ghapiro@freebsd.org, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , Cy Schubert Subject: Re: Sendmail deprecation ? In-reply-to: <201712070416.vB74GhD8050840@mail.karels.net> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <201712070416.vB74GhD8050840@mail.karels.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <72479.1512638522.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:22:02 +0000 Message-ID: <72480.1512638522@critter.freebsd.dk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:22:30 -0000 -------- In message <201712070416.vB74GhD8050840@mail.karels.net>, Mike Karels writes: >> ... A stub like pkg that could install a package, providing the >> user with a list to choose from, possibly timing out after a short period >> of time to install the dma pkg (or port) makes the most sense to me and >> should be a good compromise for all. > >Without specifying a mechanism, I agree that providing a menu would be >good. I don't think it should time out. The majority of installed FreeBSD systems would never see a menu in bsdinstaller(8). We should talk about what "make release" does, because that is the common basis for almost all install methods of FreeBSD: bsdinstall(8), nanobsd(8), diskless(8), jail(8) etc. etc. Cron(8) and periodic(8) need local delivery to work, so the plain "make release" should install dma(8) so local delivery works. I don't care if bsdinstall(8) offers MTA configuration menus or not, and that decision or lack thereof should not hold up replacing sendmail(8) with dma(8). And good riddance to sendmail(8): Life is too short for sendmail.cf Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.