From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 1 04:30:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAC9106578D for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 04:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF628FC0C for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 04:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AGkh1b00C0QuhwU54UWb0B; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:30:35 +0000 Received: from daland.home ([24.34.211.11]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AUWa1b0060FJTGg3NUWbdr; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:30:35 +0000 Received: from algo by daland.home with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LTTyb-000JdZ-BQ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:30:33 -0500 From: Alex Goncharov To: jimmy@mammothcheese.ca In-reply-to: <4984F1C7.9040706@mammothcheese.ca> (message from James Bailie on Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:50:15 -0500) References: <165364.55705.qm@web39102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4984F1C7.9040706@mammothcheese.ca> Message-Id: Sender: Alex Goncharov Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:30:33 -0500 Cc: bf2006a@yahoo.com, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, alex-goncharov@comcast.net Subject: Re: Unhappy Xorg upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Goncharov List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 04:30:35 -0000 ,--- You/James (Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:50:15 -0500) ----* | Alex Goncharov wrote: | | > That's useful -- I didn't know about ports-mgmt/portdowngrade. Thank | > you! | | It's not that useful because very few ports mirrors allow anon-cvs | access, mostly just cvsup/csup. The last time I had to use it, I | found a mirror in Germany that worked, after a long search. Thanks for this info, too -- now I'll be prepared to at least some failures on my way. | The Xorg update was a minor disaster, and it's nobody's fault. Fault or not fault, but it seems to me that this upgrade should have been actively warned about and discussed at least two weeks before it happened. In one of my earlier messages, I mentioned that when I had tried to bring X on my laptop to life, I did plenty of Web searching and reading. The number of problems with xorg-server 1.5 reported by Linux users stunned me -- I remember one Debian user had to get the old X from a different release of Debian in order to make his system operational. What was expected to happen on FreeBSD with this X? A smooth fly for everybody -- or some "acceptable" number of hardware configurations allowing the use of the new X? | More testing was needed on lots more systems Yes. | and that can only really happen after committal. No -- a patch might (*should*, for this kind of a disruptive change) be put together: I'd install it on my systems, I'd try it and report problems, I'd revert back -- easily. This is for many "I"s willing to be the testers -- we'd repeat this again as many times as necessary, before the commit. -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net --