From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 9 13:56:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E2637B400 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from directvinternet.com (dsl-65-185-140-165.telocity.com [65.185.140.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FB743E42 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:56:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from Tolstoy.home.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by directvinternet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g89KtGGd052865; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:55:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nwestfal@directvinternet.com) Received: from localhost (nwestfal@localhost) by Tolstoy.home.lan (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with ESMTP id g89KtGTL052862; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:55:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Tolstoy.home.lan: nwestfal owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Neal E. Westfall" X-X-Sender: nwestfal@Tolstoy.home.lan To: Terry Lambert Cc: Lawrence Sica , Giorgos Keramidas , Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? In-Reply-To: <3D7CF633.187527E@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020909135135.V1838-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > > > > This is just what I am trying to get people to admit, that evolution > > > > requires tremendous leaps of faith. Now if you could see that it is also > > > > irrational, my job would be done. > > > > > > The problem with this idea is that we all freely admit that > > > evolution is a *theory*. > > > > That is completely irrational. Yet, to reject it would imply something > > that evolutionists just cannot bear to accept. > > Why is it "completely irrational"? All it amounts to is that we > are willing to acknowledge that we don't know everything. Because no matter how well you dress it up, it amounts to the following: 1) Something came from nothing. 2) Order came from disorder. 3) Life came from non-life. 4) Intelligence came from non-intelligence. 5) Morality came from the non-moral. To believe in evolution (at least the non-theistic variety) you have to believe that things turn into their opposites. This is quite a departure from the notion of "rational explanation." Neal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message