From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 9 09:10:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7C3105D9F4 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from out2-4.antispamcloud.com (out2-4.antispamcloud.com [185.201.17.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF57D88EAC for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from [153.92.8.106] (helo=srv31.niagahoster.com) by mx18.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fngxd-0007JZ-4C; Thu, 09 Aug 2018 11:10:31 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=kmDGZ2rhbJkAAP8qqts9Da5yfZeBYHXtiHuIILygOrw=; b=KM+JEOV24Yy8A6jPRr8KpiA3BN 9grKEinq48olZnhomBOk960Y/GiYRU/W7VDu0n+RKdix17tOYDSY/+rUF3mJC1BLWZQ0hU54LA7WO 99r0dhoEOyVAwEAS9Um4BJu9afoe+TSjS1LG65+W0+sKZCdMJGrv5naJv/au9pdclw0NeqdiRCE/R 67Ho4c2mu4TptztTRewHSyuwNygE9Bc+jorB24jz2tKUrK9XKTT/QIbZILJHBZQW02zezHZGhx1CE eg9uKGGV6v975rt2N+sgbK/uz8Y71x4nD2n3Ll9d1/QyS8WLK7yMUCW66ZkU0Es44i7kxQjmzXgR9 88W3u/8A==; Received: from [114.125.109.19] (port=48938 helo=X220.sumeritec.com) by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1fngwk-0006fl-EE; Thu, 09 Aug 2018 16:09:34 +0700 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 17:09:27 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, estartu@ze.tum.de Subject: Re: No Extended Support Version right now? Message-ID: <20180809170927.24554931.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> In-Reply-To: References: <8F86D7B0-6E3A-40EE-A8B3-E5209AB579A5@mail.sermon-archive.info> <45977e25-80e4-9bb9-e36a-bb7d6e7e7dbb@ze.tum.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AuthUser: freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com X-Originating-IP: 153.92.8.106 X-AntiSpamCloud-Domain: out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Username: niaga Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass (login) smtp.auth=niaga@out.niagahoster.com X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-AntiSpamCloud-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.54) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: EX5BVjFpneJeBchSMxfU5sKC4H+7N6Zu7kX/pWew2px602E9L7XzfQH6nu9C/Fh9KJzpNe6xgvOx q3u0UDjvO5aNQlwfH3hFdbqL4EFCcDDlGZflZ13PbuB5BzC23dkUCVn3AWVzV+2oOaIhGhqHdKxD UMSiYEwwg7JB9b66pdaprpGe/mVniGu/CLVPBpfM4pWx7WxWFZpsjT/483ewgu5JfusABNhIyJPP 5Nt4ch8im2W8FM0CYezVyrGHJVZmFHMPEyA05gafMZGwGiJNAwgts4D9rHMwYttlWJ53KUNFN1Mi Jvo7144GK03YqHgHibeRcXFPc8cqkLwvhK2OeezUrQIHG+qb7m6rsUJYqrkBWDoGJ+0yh69KXxwj Ya+s1lKjr5bPbebPOmRT2bIcf8x7BZzVdsrUJ1TjYZWWhhRIvwk+SzBXVEwrOfaE35eVP3PPkAMO qDnlk3PJ0+RlnD3dKxLhoxcmaInYbR5vlqHVuAvhr5K1q2gYP7Ih8AmzTAas0edmB2q/yBRqnQY9 Wn0gkfr9gZNk8zP+i4B7/fwZ8mt1cw3xO4d92gv79zMNfJSBBCR2DZDiEWpSuwB+0+idX4Ts4xdG +C13IyWeZaKQbQlRnWB2MLWjomD7HvE/ojmX5u6QQ8A3tr7Vu+yOdzN0bSRT1k5G2hFa0cFPVtPV EOSluRuLNfsptaOx3KS5w8R7gzpD8RVzGPbBbjse8REVniihuDwEGDcmr6e3OPQamfIaV9iZxMet Odr1ksZ4LgGiniNnfZ/9+lL633su2XfAlCiZNGXc89tW+HIGOkHMQVQxNzuCe7oCzbqDAuy6kC60 Pll3Rp6No9F02OQBU8pz01J8ygQ5/Ih9YWo2D+ec0TwPIBJnngHP89wHBJTrUR5P22vfHRUlzBGr PpFcJc8b3TdJXiMWjSI7O3Gz2XWZ3JKVmi72ocgY5kMQSjs7XKBCcuSSP1pxFExLxCRrSvoi5gf8 MRzbGeW+PX/PpGl5+4x+hbGIaKoDk7dEfv2S X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine1.antispamcloud.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2018 09:10:42 -0000 Hi, On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:52:49 +0200 Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 8/9/18 9:29 AM, Gerhard Schmidt wrote: > > > Updating each of them to the next Major release takes about 2h > > (really stupid things like FreeBSD id changes in config files are > > time consuming and annoying). > > Are you talking about mergemaster? > Are you aware of the -F and -U options (which have been somewhat > recently added)? > > Notice: I'm not trying to convince you that upgrading so frequently > is a good thing (as I said I agree with you); I'm just trying to ease > the pain. > I was too fast with my former e-mail. Of course, mergemaster is for FreeBSD itself. It is less a problem of mergemaster as of having to touch a running system in a serious way. We have also the problem having to maintain a number of machines and decided to create our in-house solution. Yeah, it can leave the house after it works but it must work first. Erich