From owner-svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Fri Feb 1 15:24:31 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-ports-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1160B14B6D71; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24BCF6CCA3; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id pag0gtb8WnBo4pag1gNm20; Fri, 01 Feb 2019 08:24:22 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=J8fUEzvS c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=CFTnQlWoA9kA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=7VdvPMSc6MdVnh3lD_UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy8 [10.2.2.6]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC568356; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 07:24:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x11FOJCo013831; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 07:24:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x11FOJpR013828; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 07:24:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201902011524.x11FOJpR013828@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7.1 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Torsten Zuehlsdorff cc: Cy Schubert , Adam Weinberger , Alexey Dokuchaev , ports-committers@freebsd.org, svn-ports-all@freebsd.org, svn-ports-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r491810 - in head/editors/vim: . files In-Reply-To: Message from Torsten Zuehlsdorff of "Fri, 01 Feb 2019 15:50:33 +0100." <3ca96b45-44d9-34b4-b48e-b49c1f1c4066@toco-domains.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 07:24:19 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFBX5wf5PfPL2i7b7aKRdmKRjJdeIzzhQcxyNBce9UFwP3ZrW23EEi3ZobwCDJ1pSWDLzuMOROO6TpYT5JSnrHocDAqaCHXwjnif9OQVVUtFm3uhzln/ 3TEvq9joAIFpNKnlonvHRk71/7QvMqtcIC8F7WzoaR7QTXSL9VLihGNqgl2LlemP/wuPJAr4+zqkyCuRNkuTom1dg3j5AaIfBqz+/jcTCw0BxZ4XAamGxRwx WDjBebU4q8z8aZv/B0fobMN+f0uyOu0MdkV/nBwwUBYbywMt8gvdi1cgxDd2t18gSb4VMwx7sbcoghaYC6vNshdRIfVfQa+WERlRt/p7FOl9u9+LYf+pyvG1 NzqGOswu X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 24BCF6CCA3 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.848,0]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[139.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-1.84)[ip: (-4.77), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-2.44), asn: 6327(-1.89), country: CA(-0.09)]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11] X-BeenThere: svn-ports-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the ports tree for head List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 15:24:31 -0000 In message <3ca96b45-44d9-34b4-b48e-b49c1f1c4066@toco-domains.de>, Torsten Zueh lsdorff writes: > > > > On 01.02.19 15:47, Cy Schubert wrote: > > On February 1, 2019 6:02:44 AM PST, Adam Weinberger wro > te: > >> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:58 AM Alexey Dokuchaev > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Fri, Feb 01, 2019 at 01:54:07PM +0000, Adam Weinberger wrote: > >>>> New Revision: 491810 > >>>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/ports/491810 > >>>> > >>>> Log: > >>>> Update vim to patchlevel 865 > >>>> > >>>> After discussion on freebsd-ports@, switch the default UI toolkit > >>>> from GTK2 to GTK3. There isn't a huge visual difference, so it's > >>>> more predicated on the idea that people are more likely to have > >>>> GTK3 already installed for other things. > >>> > >>> Actually, I believe it's more likely that people have GTK+2 > >> installed, > >>> not 3. That said, however, perhaps the best way out would be > >> flavoring > >>> the port so it offers both packages. > >> > >> I'm not sure that there's a huge benefit to offering multiple UI > >> toolkit packages. There's not much difference between the GTK2 and the > >> GTK3 interface. Perhaps I mischaracterized the situation; it is > >> definitely correct to say that the discussion on freebsd-ports@ > >> revealed nearly unanimous agreement that people would prefer GTK3 be > >> the default. > >> > >> # Adam > > > > The big difference from a user's perspective is the scroll bar, specificall > y middle button behavior. IMO a regression. > > After the switch to GTK-3 i have no scroll bar at all. "at all" means in > kate, libreoffice, dolphin and all other kde/gtk-3 - applications. :D Hmm. Firefox uses GTK-3. It has a scrollbar. If I play with it, as in put the cursor toward the middle of the slider, it does work. It's not as easy as Motif or GTK-2 are. I think this is an attempt by GUI developers to use one code base for mobile, notebook, and desktop. Compromises that are clunky at best. Have you tried scrolling using the wheel? It might "magically" appear. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.