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[50.78.194.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5sm172559igm.13.2012.09.14.21.39.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Sep 2012 21:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <201209141601.q8EG1lmf003367@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 22:39:49 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2C4DFA77-E2D8-4DA1-9512-5497ADAF740E@bsdimp.com> References: <201209141601.q8EG1lmf003367@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk4/cazatSsiuRbJEtuV8DP/OHNtTBZ39X6LempRj6PJXyRLUpg4uUHmMdp8R9KpuaP+PhM Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 04:39:59 -0000 [picking a random message in this thread] I think that we've reached the point in this thread that "no clear = consensus exists for the change, therefore the status quo should remain = the case." All these points and counter points clearly show there's non consensus, = so this should be tabled. Warner On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> On 2012-Sep-13 14:49:20 +0200, "Julian H. Stacey" = wrote: >>> =3D3D?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=3D3DC3=3D3DB8rgrav?=3D3D wrote: >>>> Which other Unices provide CVS out of the box? >>=20 >> I notice you've carefully avoided answering this. >=20 > I included all from DES to be polite, to make sure I didn't take DES = out of > context, despite he took me out context. DES's question > "Which other Unices provide CVS out of the box?" > while good, is one I have no further (*) time for. You in the > remove CVS camp should have know or researched it before you proposed > to remove CVS. >=20 >=20 >>> DES hyperbole discarded, CVS would be just one more issue just for = some. >>=20 >> The hyperbole here is coming from you, not des@. >=20 > False. DES twisted context, & exagerated between these >=20 > = http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2012-September/013057.html= > = http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2012-September/013058.html= >=20 >=20 > (*) I had started researching other Unixes with CVS before DES asked, > & I found refs, but agression kills motivation & I must travel. > You in the remove CVS camp proposed change; Do your own search work. >=20 >=20 >>> Some might agressively pitch for a short timescale, but if CVS goes, >>> FreeBSD will hopefuly look beyond just its developers' group, = remember its >>> users, & consider a schedule similar to one a OS software manager = would. >>=20 >> CVS is a development tool and the version in FreeBSD base was = intended >> for FreeBSD development. People using CVS for other purposes are >> unlikely to be best served by using an unmaintained and modified = variant >> of an obsolete version of CVS. >=20 > OK, Would have been good mentioned earlier, eg when DES was > flattening someone's idea to look at upgrading CVS to = http://www.OpenCVS.org. >=20 >> As for the schedule, as has been repeatedly stated, this change will > only affect 10.x and later. If this proposal goes ahead, the first >> FreeBSD release to not have CVS in the base will be 10.0-RELEASE - >> which (IMHO) is unlikely to appear for another year. And 9.x will >> continue to include CVS in the base and should be supported for at >> least 2 years after 10.0-RELEASE comes out. Thus, anyone currently >> relying on the base CVS has at least 3 years to plan their = transition. >=20 > OK, May be sufficient for many tracking FreeBSD. > How many Unixes beyond may find your proposed change a nuisance, is = unknown. >=20 > Cheers, > Julian > --=20 > Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich = http://berklix.com > Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". > Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, = quoted-printable. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arch@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-arch-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"