From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Mar 12 16:02:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A42264A01; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (108-84-10-9.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net [108.84.10.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "darth.immure.com", Issuer "darth.immure.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48dYWT2vdqz4BKQ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: from rancor.immure.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 02CG19s3008006 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:01:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@rancor.immure.com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by rancor.immure.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 02CG19o9008005; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:01:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:01:09 -0500 From: Bob Willcox To: Michael Gmelin Cc: Mark Martinec , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New Xorg - different key-codes Message-ID: <20200312160109.GB7853@rancor.immure.com> Reply-To: Bob Willcox References: <20200311222327.GD5435@rancor.immure.com> <9674EB7F-393B-43DB-9892-83B4F1C88451@grem.de> <20200312122416.GB1053@rancor.immure.com> <20200312153629.GA7853@rancor.immure.com> <20200312165332.58af13f7@bsd64.grem.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200312165332.58af13f7@bsd64.grem.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48dYWT2vdqz4BKQ X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob@rancor.immure.com has no SPF policy when checking 108.84.10.9) smtp.mailfrom=bob@rancor.immure.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.98 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[bob@immure.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.37)[ip: (0.18), ipnet: 108.64.0.0/11(0.08), asn: 7018(1.62), country: US(-0.05)]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[immure.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.92)[0.920,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.996,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7018, ipnet:108.64.0.0/11, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bob@immure.com,bob@rancor.immure.com]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:02:46 -0000 On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 04:53:32PM +0100, Michael Gmelin wrote: > > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 10:36:42 -0500 > Bob Willcox wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 07:24:42AM -0500, Bob Willcox wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:46:49PM +0100, Michael Gmelin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > SNIP SNAP > > > > >> It might fix the ???Down key opens application launcher??? > > > > >> problem by applying the correct keymap (you have to select the > > > > >> correct one, ???de??? probably won???t cut it for you). At > > > > >> least it did with xfce, where it was important to run it > > > > >> before the wm starts - you could also try running it > > > > >> afterwards to see if it makes a difference. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about that problem. What I'm experiencing is the > > > > > Alt-up,down,left,right keys don't work as they used to in my > > > > > ctwm window manager. They used to move the current window to > > > > > the closest boundry in the direction indicated by the key that > > > > > is also pressed (while holding the Alt key down). Also, > > > > > Alt-shift-up,down,left,right would expand the window in the > > > > > direction indicated by the key. These actions seem to do > > > > > nothing now. > > > > > > > > I don???t know much about ctwm, but why don???t you give it a > > > > shot? > > > > > > I plan to sometime today when I get into the office. But since it's > > > my work system and I am dependent on it to do my job, I've just > > > been a little hesitant. > > > > Ok, I added this to my ~/.xinitrc file: > > > > setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout us > > > > and my ctwm window adjustment hot keys are working again. :) > > > > I do wonder why it was deemed ok to change the default behavior for > > the key mappings? Couldn't the default mappings have remained the > > same with change to evdev? This change certainly violated the > > "principle of least surprise" for me. > > > > > > I think the change was unavoidable, but it could've been communicated > better. Then again, time and resources are limited and I'm quite > grateful the graphics team finally made that necessary push forward. > > I'm curious how people set their keyboard layout in the past though, > is it possible that the defaults just worked for US users? I always had > to set it explicitly (setxkbmap or in Xorg.conf), so I was never really > affected by this change. > > -m > > p.s. What does "setxkbmap -query" show if you start X without setting > the keymap in .xinitrc? I'll have to try that when I get home tonight on one of my other systems as I really can't afford to take the time to restart X on this system now...got to get some work done. :) Bob > > -- > Michael Gmelin -- Bob Willcox | It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to bob@immure.com | serve as a warning to others. Austin, TX |