From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 24 06:43:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: arch@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E0316A402 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:43:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (gate.funkthat.com [69.17.45.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83E743D45 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:43:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (am7ucn9tjzutsgl2@localhost.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3O6hqQa018150; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.13.4/8.13.3/Submit) id k3O6hqCh018149; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:43:52 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Kirk McKusick Message-ID: <20060424064352.GA728@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Kirk McKusick , arch@freebsd.org References: <200604240633.k3O6XUJ0042841@chez.mckusick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200604240633.k3O6XUJ0042841@chez.mckusick.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE-p6 i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds on FreeBSD's Use of Copy-on-write X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:43:53 -0000 Kirk McKusick wrote this message on Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 23:33 -0700: > Linus explained that while this may look good on specific benchmarks, > it actually introduces extra overhead, "the thing is, the cost of Has he benchmarked this to prove his point? And has he done it over realworld work loads, like Apache or another "standard" program instead of a microbenchmark designed especially to make COW look bad? As w/ all theories, w/o numbers, they are only theories till backed up w/ benchmarks. This isn't suppose to defend COW, but it is designed to ensure that people don't stop exploring just because someone says something... -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."