From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 22 10:41:11 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38946528E3 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 10:41:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x434.google.com (mail-wr1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GssNk73ZYz3QD2 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 10:41:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x434.google.com with SMTP id h13so21487429wrp.1 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 03:41:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UagD1He/7N3npeFNErRiAyrDrOEXxIM6ugHRvsT485w=; b=hTPb5xwTkFBrKtYbWF0niNtmRXauQ6xKV4SWYn1+/0W88qrwzYZeW+GH8VOZyhNJeQ R5o5a7XoplCPoJhWMs+1vnCGt9Rqx/vbTde4P6yfMf0oiTcSIjkvkX5/PoCD5ZKfQhkl A6PvoCXuTjD6sMXGEkzw7Z9PCCjFKJ/cT2ozMrOYczC8sWvOvcv65HPqgb8IFX3rFB2H 7dN8P5WTUogePrApyq/sBxIkkETK73jc+Jml21kv9SE1B0DDOmUYB/sX8lECrJKvrqBA TRO4RsmW6XtGrFoxr1j33w4nq6V915i/kjGTaFP+0vH2Wjhi5p+ISNF1X0Gtkq3VgTYk WmnQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UagD1He/7N3npeFNErRiAyrDrOEXxIM6ugHRvsT485w=; b=In/+l8y8UJ1AklE14CckN4wsGAPXmcr3LCU6owRWC1KJjXLHwzD4L3yXekAF+Rb7Q5 HL1++HfnbkftB7Zasjl5S9qhqKeO9KnfQSUCRq8x4LklB+TV3z+sTijpJsBlmj9SSArz vFWnPxk66H2wKETpkAS96rJY8azW/pcVNagcqOYRXc53p6/OviwzciuJMpNdtUSV6JTF faJr35DPPyB+68dH3cMktlz12mGDDu8TsBdcaxd3PRfbp2Vs38MBjTM8X5c9wuuSnWdA BGY9GyxxHm780130mm2piysDq9yjoNBbtaASfQdcZ4xXw5EyMtMUw8idJ5zPWbPQou1u h1lA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531kfOrlqbpdpK62hgHgjgg6/UKPw0TurVWtL44RwbbG4n26gVmR rTOVumFyUN5AEbrFHbAYpm7pjU2n9JXzqrWVM6E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxlkVw/oWyObSJxxeVS4BJVIM6RuZCWxsvVhHFb3aoc7zG0pnUSdMx52lEgxaP6rT7t6h+/b2ZuflpN60ZQA2M= X-Received: by 2002:adf:e60d:: with SMTP id p13mr8248078wrm.291.1629628863034; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 03:41:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <763F5C0F-E364-4C57-8D09-A0679F547979@simonhoffmann.net> <20210822121658.13a66645@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210822121658.13a66645@archlinux> From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 03:40:26 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: DKIM To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GssNk73ZYz3QD2 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hTPb5xwT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mesanliturk@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::434 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mesanliturk@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; SUBJ_ALL_CAPS(0.30)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::434:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 10:41:11 -0000 On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 3:17 AM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 22 Aug 2021 08:28:36 +0000, Cyprian Ambe wrote: > >If you state something like this, please also state how. The OP might > >be a beginner and thus not know how to search the repos. Pointing them > >just to some Google results (why Google btw) or giving them very brief > >instructions might thus not be very helpful as they might not know how > >to interpret that. > > Hi, > > it's pointless to discuss this. On some other mailing lists subscribers > would just quote the obligatory > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before > > to a request as yours. > > At the risk of bikeshedding I'll play the Devil's advocate. Assuming > somebody is a "beginner", being in favour of Google rather than another > search engine makes much sense. It's probably still the search engine, > able to provide best recommendations, at least to those, who don't have > the skills to think about ideal search terms. Some alternative search > engines suffer from weak points, when doing researches by non-English > search terms. > > Some people are per se against Google for good reasons, but way too many > people are per se against Google for no good reasons at all. Let alone > excesses against Google, if people choose something even more bad as > a replacement for Google. > > A while back on another mailing list "Dissenter" was recommended as an > alternative to Firefox and especially to Google Chrome or any Google > Chromium based browser. Actually "Dissenter" is from "gab", see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network) . Avoiding usage of > Google not necessarily is the better choice. > > I reply by this off-topic and bikeshedding appearing email since I very > often explicitly mention that FLOSS novices shouldn't replace Google by > other search engines, as long as they are novices who don't have a clue > what good FLOSS related search terms to use. Not that long ago a lot of > people searching for a FLOSS sound server (jackd) for instance got hits > related to LGBTQIA*, but not related to FLOSS. "Beginners" can stay with > DuckDuckGo and other search engines for researches related to t-shirts > or coffee machines. > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > > Really you are right . My opinion is that your answer is not bikeshedding but a very good explanation about what may be good understanding . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk