From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 6 22:20:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46E137B401 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 22:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F70143F3F for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 22:20:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@freebsd.org) Received: from master.dougb.net (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com[12.234.22.23]) by attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <20030507052024003005n4ome>; Wed, 7 May 2003 05:20:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Poul-Henning Kamp In-Reply-To: <58760.1052253053@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: <20030506220503.W5620@znfgre.qbhto.arg> References: <58760.1052253053@critter.freebsd.dk> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Lucky Green cc: "'Geoffrey T. Falk'" cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Putting gbde to use: changes to fstab(5)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 05:20:27 -0000 On Tue, 6 May 2003, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <007901c3140b$8ccbad20$6601a8c0@VAIO650>, "Lucky Green" writes: > > >I believe there is a need for a convention specifying where and how > >gbde(4)(8) encrypted devices should be listed in system configuration > >files. I don't hugely care what convention will be chosen is as long as > >there exists a clear convention that will enable authors to write > >software that will make it easy to deploy gbde. > > I fully agree this far. As do I, even if lucky's penchant for writing really long "position papers" that do nothing other than state really obvious conclusions is starting to get annoying. :) > The point where I start to get uneasy is where people think this will > only be about GBDE. We've started discussing ways to implement gbde initialization within rc (which is obviously my preferred solution), and a user has submitted one implementation of this. I'm hoping to polish and test that asap, it's high on my list now that I've cleared a bunch of other small WIP's that I wanted to get done before the freeze. I'm sensitive to the issue Poul-Henning raised about making a solution that will encompass more than gbde, which is why I didn't just jump in on the committing the gbde script that was sent in. Of course, if someone else comes up with another solution, I'm all ears. > I am not saying that you should not go ahead, in fact, if you have > time you should, but I really would prefer if we can avoid seeing > an explosion of config files along the lines of: > /etc/gbde.cf > /etc/gmirror.cf > /etc/graid5.cf > /etc/gxxx.cf > ... Yeah, that'd be bad. If anything, /etc/geom.d/*.cf would be better, but it would be nice if we could find a more general solution. Poul-Henning, have you taken a look at the new devfs.conf file that I just committed? Would something like that be scalable with what you have in mind? > I'm sorry I cannot take an active lead in this, but my TODO list > has recently eaten my pencil and the judge rule that it was a clear > and justified act of self-defence. No problem... not only is your time most valuable actually programming the stuff, but my experience is that people who write really good low level software aren't always the best people to translate that into user experience. :) -- This .signature sanitized for your protection